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speechlesstx · Dec 3, 2012, 07:49 AM

Originally Posted by excon

Hello again Steve,

In other words, you DO want to evict all of them. Why can't you say that?

excon

Because no matter what I say you'll put words in my mouth.

I believe I've made it clear that I'm fine with the "path to citizenship" too, as long as we secure the borders. What I'm not fine with is playing the race card. Enough already.

speechlesstx · Dec 3, 2012, 07:54 AM

Originally Posted by excon

Hello again, Steve:

Although you SAY that he didn't compromise during his first term, you just didn't like the compromises he made. In fact, in the stimulus, he devoted roughly a third of the money to tax cuts that he assumed Republicans would like. You did not. Likewise, his framework for universal health care included free-market elements that he thought Republicans would embrace. You did not.

So, he's not gonna do that again.

Is he going to compromise on the tax RATES going back the the Clinton era levels for the richest of the rich?? No. He campaigned on it. He won. Even MORE people than voted for him want to raise taxes on the rich. That ISN'T going to happen.

So, it's not HIM who's refusing to compromise. It's the party of NO.

excon

You forget, he himself said raising taxes was a bad idea at the time. That doesn't translate into compromise. You also forget Americans overwhelmingly said NO to Obamacare, he rammed it through anyway. That's not compromise.

talaniman · Dec 3, 2012, 09:58 AM

You also forgot the guy who gave you Obama Care was re-elected. And its you guys turn to compromise... for real this time.

Who said the borders weren't secure? He sure deports a lot of folks and why is reasonable commentary playing the race card? Ignoring the effects on policy that effects people isn't a race card, whether you like them or not.

speechlesstx · Dec 3, 2012, 10:06 AM

Originally Posted by talaniman

You also forgot the guy who gave you Obama Care was re-elected. And its you guys turn to compromise...............................for real this time.

Who said the borders weren't secure? He sure deports a lot of folks and why is reasonable commentary playing the race card? Ignoring the effects on policy that effects people isn't a race card, whether you like them or not.

Joe Biden said Republicans wanted to put blacks back in chains. An Obama aide just said "You know, with the way politics of Washington are today, there'd still be slavery."

You guys don't do "reasonable commentary" on race.

tomder55 · Dec 3, 2012, 11:07 AM

You also forgot the guy who gave you Obama Care was re-elected. And its you guys turn to compromise... for real this time.

The Republican majority was sent back to Capitol Hill promising their constituents that they would hold the line on taxes and spending . If the President wants his agenda passed he'd best lose the 'my way or the highway' approach.

paraclete · Dec 3, 2012, 02:09 PM

Yes that's compromise all right, didn't you guys learn the lesson of Custer's Last Stand?

paraclete · Dec 3, 2012, 02:48 PM

That chart actually shows that private sector employment improved for more than twelve months, these charts chart net job losses

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This one is more telling

earl237 · Dec 13, 2012, 08:19 PM

I don't see much hope for the future of the Republican party. Their base keeps on shrinking and they alienate so many voter groups. They lost the black vote in 1960, they turned off working and middle class people who used to vote for them with their stubborn refusal to tax the richest Americans, their anti-science, religious nutbar, tea party types have caused them to lose the college educated, moderates, women, immigrants, young people. You can't have a party with just greedy billionaires and redneck angry white guys.

paraclete · Dec 13, 2012, 09:25 PM

Political parties go through times where they have to reinvent themselves, this often happens after election losses, but maybe it is time for generational change. As far as a party being red neck, they are just consigning themselves to the role of a minor party. The problem with the political system is it is driven by money and influence, so you can't expect them to bite the hand that feeds them, but when they are not in power a little bipartisanism goes a long way. When you have a platform that looks to small government you can easily paint yourself into a corner

tomder55 · Dec 14, 2012, 04:12 AM

I don't see much hope for the future of the Republican party

The Repubics thought they could have a permanent Republic majority after the 2004 elections .
Now Woodward says that there are huge rifts inside the Dem coalition. No surprise there.. Once the President takes the oath he'll be a lame duck and the long knives will be drawn to determine the future of the Dems .
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/vid...tic_party.html