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    #221

    Nov 30, 2012, 07:44 AM
    Hello again;

    Just a warning
    Look.. Some folks invest. Some folks watch FOX News to find out WHAT investors think.. But, THEY ain't telling you the truth, fair and balanced or not.

    When considering an investment, FOX would have you believe that investors look at the TAX rate instead of the potential PROFITS that can be made... That just ain't so. It's not even close. In fact, it's SOOO wrong, that if it weren't so SAD (because people BELIEVE it), it would be funny. I promise you, NO investor in the world asks what the tax rate is when presented with a winning investment... That's NOBODY.

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    #222

    Nov 30, 2012, 09:29 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by excon View Post
    Hello again;

    Look.. Some folks invest. Some folks watch FOX News to find out WHAT investors think.. But, THEY ain't telling you the truth, fair and balanced or not.

    When considering an investment, FOX would have you believe that investors look at the TAX rate instead of the potential PROFITS that can be made... That just ain't so. It's not even close. In fact, it's SOOO wrong, that if it weren't so SAD (because people BELIEVE it), it would be funny. I promise you, NO investor in the world asks what the tax rate is when presented with a winning investment... That's NOBODY.

    excon
    Funny, but I almost never source Fox News so I have no idea where the hell you guys keep coming up with this Fox crap. I think it's a Fox Derangement Syndrome and I'm sure medication would help.

    What I reported was from The Telegraph, which tells us the UK lost £7 billion in tax revenue when "two-thirds of millionaires left Britain" after Gordon Brown raised their taxes. It's going to happen in France as well, and our wealthy aren't so dumb as to sit back and let the feds screw them out of their money. You think they are? Bwa ha ha!!
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    #223

    Nov 30, 2012, 09:37 AM
    Their MONEY?? You mean the money they extracted from YOUR labors?? Your savings? Your benefits?? Your house?? Your children's future??

    And you condone it as fair? You are screwing yourself and blaming the wrong person.
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    #224

    Nov 30, 2012, 10:01 AM
    Hello again, Steve:

    Just a note. I use FOX News as a metaphor for ALL right wing media, including the Limp one, Drudge, Hannity, WND, Bozell, or ANY of the others. You know who I'm talking about.

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    #225

    Nov 30, 2012, 10:32 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by excon View Post
    Hello again, Steve:

    Just a note. I use FOX News as a metaphor for ALL right wing media, including the Limp one, Drudge, Hannity, WND, Bozell, or ANY of the others. You know who I'm talking about.

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    Oh I know what you're talking about, shame you never use it in a relevant way.
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    #226

    Nov 30, 2012, 10:37 AM
    Hello again, Steve:

    shame you never use it in a relevant way.
    I suppose blaming the main stream media for stealing the election IS relevant..

    As your post relates to the OP, it looks like you're party is splitting in half. We KNOW which half you're rolling with.

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    #227

    Nov 30, 2012, 10:40 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by talaniman View Post
    Their MONEY?????????? You mean the money they extracted from YOUR labors??? Your savings?? Your benefits????? Your house???? Your childrens future????

    And you condone it as fair?? You are screwing yourself and blaming the wrong person.
    Dude, I'd rather take a chance on screwing things up myself than watch you screw it up for me.
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    #228

    Nov 30, 2012, 10:43 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by excon View Post
    Hello again, Steve:

    I suppose blaming the main stream media for stealing the election IS relevant..

    As your post relates to the OP, it looks like you're party is splitting in half. We KNOW which half you're rolling with.

    excon
    Why yes, the FACT that the mainstream media withheld, whitewashed and covered for Obama (including that lady that interjected at the debate) is relevant (I don't believe I said they stole the election). Linking my response on Fox News is not.
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    #229

    Nov 30, 2012, 10:49 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by speechlesstx View Post
    Dude, I'd rather take a chance on screwing things up myself than watch you screw it up for me.
    I don't want you screwing YOURSELF, but you are trying to. Just don't blame ME for your screw ups.

    Don't try to screw me either.
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    #230

    Nov 30, 2012, 10:58 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by talaniman View Post
    I don't want you screwing YOURSELF, but you are trying to. Just don't blame ME for your screw ups.

    Don't try to screw me either.
    Here's a deal, you take care of you and I'll take care of me. I'll leave your stuff alone and you leave my stuff alone. See how that works?
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    #231

    Nov 30, 2012, 11:30 AM
    By the way, we now know which way Obama will go, $1.6 billion in new taxes in exchange for nothing. Mitch McConnell literally laughed out loud at Geithner's proposal.

    Mitch McConnell, the Senate Republican leader, says he “burst into laughter” Thursday when Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner outlined the administration proposal for averting the fiscal cliff. He wasn't trying to embarrass Geithner, McConnell says, only responding candidly to his one-sided plan, explicit on tax increases, vague on spending cuts…
    So instead of getting serious about working together for a solution he's busy telling people to Tweet congress to pass his grand new compromise of all for nothing. Aren't you guys about tired of a Twit-in-chief yet?
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    #232

    Nov 30, 2012, 11:50 AM
    Heard fast Eddie Rendell today. He called the insulting proposal an'opening bid ' in the negotiations . But we know very well that the President intends it to be 'my way or the highway off the fiscal cliff'. Tal already signaled it would be OK by him . So did Ex's Senator .
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    #233

    Nov 30, 2012, 12:05 PM
    Yes, he's obviously not changed from his initial "I won" attitude and has no intention of any compromises... all the while blaming the GOP for "obstruction" as did Reid's spokesman after Boehner promised any Senate bill sent via his rule changes would be DOA (as Reid has done to House bills when he was busy not passing a budget).

    Actually, maybe we'd be better off if that's how Congress worked -.the Senate kills all House bills and the House kills all Senate bills.
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    #234

    Dec 1, 2012, 07:43 AM
    Hello again,

    Marco Rubio said that it doesn't matter if you're RIGHT on economic matters, they're NOT going to listen to you if they think you want to deport their grandmother.

    He's right. Are you going to, or better said, CAN you, or SHOULD you shift a policy of demonizing Hispanics to one of welcoming?? Said another way, DO you still think all 12 million undocumented aliens should be thrown out??

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    #235

    Dec 1, 2012, 08:05 AM
    No one is demonizing Hispanics, but we do have rule of law which your president finds as a mere inconvenience to his unilateral rule. Apparently you do, too and are just fine with promoting the false narrative that we want to deport their grandmas. But you know Republicans are preparing their own DREAM plan, and with Rubio and Cruz in we're going to make inroads with Hispanics... while your side does all they can to paint them as inauthentic, extremist sellouts.
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    #236

    Dec 1, 2012, 09:08 AM
    Hello again Steve,

    In other words, you DO want to evict all of them. Why can't you say that?

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    #237

    Dec 1, 2012, 10:41 AM
    I don't know what anyone else has said ;but I said I'm welcome to a plan for what you guys call a "path to citizenship " after the border has been secured so we can have a reasonable expectation that we don't get another 20 million illegals in the next 2 decades . That to me is a bottom line . Now don't say I'm not open to compromise because my gut instinct is to kick out people who's 1st act in a country they want to live in is an illegal act.

    Steve is right by the way . When any minority doesn't toe the party line it is the left who demonizes them . Oh wait that's right... all you guys jumped right on the Miguel Estrada nomination bandwagon.
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    #238

    Dec 1, 2012, 11:28 AM
    I thought the border HAD been secured.

    The very first requirement for any immigrant from any country who doesn't know English should be to connect with a native speaker who will be part of an amazing corps of English-teaching volunteers that can be easily created. The tutoring can be done at every public library in this country. Of course, there will be benchmark testing along the way until a certain standard has been achieved by the immigrant.
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    #239

    Dec 1, 2012, 01:24 PM
    Cuban immigrants got instant sanctuary running from Castro but Mexicans have to have a fence to keep them out when they have been migrating north for centuries.

    So illegal depends on the laws in place subject to change.
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    #240

    Dec 3, 2012, 06:24 AM
    Yes, he's obviously not changed from his initial "I won" attitude and has no intention of any compromises..
    Hello again, Steve:

    Although you SAY that he didn't compromise during his first term, you just didn't like the compromises he made. In fact, in the stimulus, he devoted roughly a third of the money to tax cuts that he assumed Republicans would like. You did not. Likewise, his framework for universal health care included free-market elements that he thought Republicans would embrace. You did not.

    So, he's not going to do that again.

    Is he going to compromise on the tax RATES going back the Clinton era levels for the richest of the rich? No. He campaigned on it. He won. Even MORE people than voted for him want to raise taxes on the rich. That ISN'T going to happen.

    So, it's not HIM who's refusing to compromise. It's the party of NO.

    Excon

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