[excon]

Hello:

We're pretty divided, both politically and geographically. I don't think we've been THIS divided since before the civil war. Do you think we can make it as a nation?

excon

[Fr_Chuck]

In his speech where he left office George Washington warned the nation that it faced many problems and dangers.

1. division between North, South, East and West.
2. division and use of two parties which would fight for power
3. allowing the checks and balances of the three party system to fail
4. getting national debt, wanted debt paid every year except if in war
5. not keeping religion and a national morality that was needed to keep people desire good
6. making changes to Constitution and passing laws that agree with the changes of moral and society values. Only change if the need for protection of the Union.


Everything he warned about has happened. According to his follow up, the Republic can not make it, unless these issues are corrected.

[excon]

Hello Padre:

So, how do we correct them?

excon

[tomder55]

Fr Chuck ;now don't you know that quoting the founders makes you an 18th Century Troglodyte ? That you are only quoting the "opinions " of dead white slave owners ?

[paraclete]

Well that is very true of Washington. You lost you way long ago, the way back is very hard and you may not have the stomach for it, you only have to look at the greeks to see the possibilities. Washington left out a possibility, when the nation is run by corporations and faceless men

[tomder55]

Is that the problem with Greece ? I thought it was unfunded entitlements .

[speechlesstx]

Depends, do you want to help people move up or make them more secure in their poverty?

[Wondergirl]

Depends, do you want to help people move up or make them more secure in their poverty?

We can start by filling those millions of jobs out there that are open.

[speechlesstx]

We can start by filling those millions of jobs out there that are open.

OK, hard to get someone to work at McDonald's when they can make more on the government dole.

[excon]

Hello again,

So, NO answers? Just more complaints, huh? Figured.

excon

[tomder55]

For my 2 cents ;we are NOT more divided than the civil war or the founding . The geographic divide is only if you look at electoral college states . When you break them down to electoral districts you see a clearer patchwork. Also the issues we debate are the same ones debated since the founding . We don't have our leaders dueling with pistols or caning each other as once happened in the halls of Congress.

[speechlesstx]

Hello again,

So, NO answers?? Just more complaints, huh? Figured.

excon

I gave you a clue but hey, you want answers? Stop intentionally dividing the country by class, race, gender...

[Wondergirl]

Stop intentionally dividing the country by class, race, gender...

Did you look at the faces of the Republican convention attendees and then compare them to the faces of the Democratic convention attendees? If so, did you notice anything?

Who's dividing the country by class, race, and gender?

[excon]

Hello again, Steve:

I gave you a clue but hey, you want answers? Stop intentionally dividing the country by class, race, gender...

I could have said that YOU should toe MY line too... But, that's NOT an answer. It's more of the same.

So, you got NOTHING?? Figured.

Excon

[speechlesstx]

Did you look at the faces of the Republican convention attendees and then compare them to the faces of the Democratic convention attendees? If so, did you notice anything?

Who's dividing the country by class, race, and gender?

Hmm, maybe that's because the left spends vast amounts of time and effort telling blacks we gon' put 'em back in chains. I mean really Carol, duh.

[speechlesstx]

Hello again, Steve:

I coulda said that YOU should toe MY line too... But, that's NOT an answer. It's more of the same.

So, you got NOTHING??? Figured.

excon

Yeah it is an answer. Amazing you can't figure out that after all that time telling us we're greedy, racist, homophobic, sexist neanderthals why the country might be divided?

[TUT317]

I'll guess I will put my two cents worth in as well.

If there is a division problem then you would probably need to change your ethos.

Dictionary.com gives a number of definitions of ethos [ee-thos]

1. Sociology, the fundamental character or spirit of a culture; the underlying sentiment that informs the beliefs, customs and practices of a group or society; dominant assumptions of a people or a period.

In the Greek ethos the individual was highly valued.

In your society the individual is also highly valued. While this is a very good thing it also has a down side. Informed self-interest is not a good starting point for any type of unification process.

When founded in the late 18th century Australia's found themselves (for the greater part of our history) to be strangers in a strange land. The environment was very harsh and unfriendly. To be a self-serving individual was not a good recipe for success in the early history of our country. We always believed that you need rely on your mates. So in a way it was a collectivist ethos that shaped our nation.

Tut

[excon]

Hello again, Steve:

Amazing you can't figure out that after all that time telling us we're greedy, racist, homophobic, sexist neanderthals why the country might be divided?

It's amazing to ME that you're UNABLE to figure out what I'm asking.. I know WHY we're divided.

If you want to participate in the SOLUTION you're invited.. If you just want to cast your usual right wing aspersions, take it somewhere else. I AIN'T interested in it.

Do you remember that jerkoff named Mourdock you tried to foist upon us... When he was asked about compromise, he said his idea of compromise was the left wing coming over to HIS side. That was most ridiculous thing I've ever heard, and that's why HE lost.. You sound JUST like him. The problem will NOT be solved by me becoming a rabid right winger. For you to THINK it would is BONKERS..

Look. It's clear. You have NO solutions..

Excon

[speechlesstx]

Hello again, Steve:

It's amazing to ME that you're UNABLE to figure out what I'm asking.. I know WHY we're divided.

If you know why and have the solution why aren't you telling us?

Do you remember that jerkoff named Mourdock you tried to foist upon us... When he was asked about compromise, he said his idea of compromise was the left wing coming over to HIS side.

LOL, I always have to laugh when a lib talks about compromise.

That was most ridiculous thing I've ever heard, and that's why HE lost.. You sound JUST like him. The problem will NOT be solved by me becoming a rabid right winger. For you to THINK it would is BONKERS..

I don't quite follow how telling you that calling us greedy, racist, homophobic, sexist neanderthals is divisive means I'm unwilling to compromise, but I'm sure you'll tell me. I've never asked you to be anything but yourself, but I get that the words you put in mouth mean much more to you than reality.

Look. It's clear. You have NO solutions..

Just waiting for your solution. You libs are always great a telling us how we really should be... but you aren't very good with sarcasm and irony.

[paraclete]

Ex thinks the solution is to bring back the birch