[talaniman]

The ID debacle has been put to bed, so lets get some integrity bac kin the system ,like do something about the 4 hour waiting in line part. Time to do this right!

[paraclete]

Yes BO expressed some concern about that, you know if you had compulsory voting you could calculate how many people were going to turn out and how many polling places you need. Queueing theory would allow you to calculate how many machines it would take to get the wait down to say 15 minutes of course I'm speaking about a utopian place like Australia where such things are possible and we don't even use voting machines. I hear it took 45 minutes to lodge a vote using a machine, what is that about?

[talaniman]

Some states had ballots that were 5 pages long!

[paraclete]

Ours rarely get beyond two two foot pages but even so what could possibly take so long, don't your voters make up their mind before they go? We long ago devised a simple system called above the line voting, to cut through the guff you place a 1 , etc, above the line and the propositions the parties have preprepared are applied

[speechlesstx]

And if people would do their homework before showing up they wouldn't have to stand there holding up those of us who did.

[paraclete]

You see speech this is the result of your population being inexperienced with the voting process

[talaniman]

We did okay, we knew the outcomes before midnight.

[paraclete]

Wasn't what I meant, the delay at the polls is because first time voters don't know what to expect. With all that machine voting the answer should be almost instantaneous

[speechlesstx]

Chi-town is sending Jesse Jackson Jr back to the House. He hasn't served for months because of psycological problems .

Jesse Jackson Jr. Wins Reelection From Mayo Clinic | NBC Chicago

And 5 days later he's probably going to the big house instead the House of Representatives.

[NeedKarma]

Good. Crooks should go to jail.

[tomder55]

The ID debacle has been put to bed, so lets get some integrity bac kin the system ,like do something about the 4 hour waiting in line part. Time to do this right!

The lines were generally longer where local Democrat ward bosses ran the show. What does that tell you ?

[tomder55]

Some states had ballots that were 5 pages long!

What do you expect when some states have unlimitted initiative and referendums ? In NY where we don't have that, the ballots were a simple and compact single page .

[talaniman]

I blame republican govenors with a right wing agenda to cut early voting. Cheap bastards, or cunning suppression, or BOTH!!

[TUT317]

The lines were generally longer where local Democrat ward bosses ran the show. What does that tell you ?

What it tells the person from the outside looking in is that too many states are incompetent ( accident or design) when it comes to Federal elections.

Tut

[paraclete]

What it might show Tut is a vast difference in capabilities and resources

[speechlesstx]

It's matter of a state's constitution pretty much. Certain issues in some states cannot be decided by the legislature, they must go before the people. That's when we actually get a say and I like it that way.

[TUT317]

It's matter of a state's constitution pretty much. Certain issues in some states cannot be decided by the legislature, they must go before the people. That's when we actually get a say and I like it that way.

Hi Steve,

Fair enough, but I think in four years times you will be going through exactly the same arguments- nothing will have changed. Oh! except for more states adopting I.D. laws.

This in itself will be interesting from my point of view. It may well solve some of your problems, but it will only being tinkering at the edges. What I think will happen is that the scamming games will move closer to- or into the polling stations.


Tut

[cdad]

Hi Steve,

Fair enough, but I think in four years times you will be going through exactly the same arguments- nothing will have changed. Oh!, except for more states adopting I.D. laws.

This in itself will be interesting from my point of view. It may well solve some of your problems, but it will only being tinkering at the edges. What I think will happen is that the scamming games will move closer to- or into the polling stations.


Tut

The scamming may have already happened and we are unaware of it. In many polling places they have moved to an electronic ballot system. Unlike paper ballots there is no way to truly verify how the actual vote is being tallied. Wasteful or not the paper ballots are much harder to defraud then the electronic style.

[tomder55]

In 59 Philadelphia voting divisions, Mitt Romney got zero votes

In 59 Philadelphia voting divisions, Mitt Romney got zero votes - Philly.com

Statistically impossible in my opinion.

[excon]

Hello again, tom:

statistically impossible in my opinion.

I don't disagree. However, it's not reasonable to believe that you can't actually CATCH somebody, even ONE person doing it. We HAVE lots of cops. We HAVE lots of Republicans WATCHING every precinct. We HAVE lots of state Republican officials trying to catch somebody...

Yet, you CAN'T actually CATCH anybody cheating - NOBODY! All you got is wingers COMPLAINING and maybe cooking the books.. PROSECUTION will prove it to me... Hearing right wingers SNIVEL doesn't.

Excon