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speechlesstx · Oct 31, 2012, 08:14 AM

I need a doctor to get a nose job, too. That doesn't make it medically necessary.

talaniman · Oct 31, 2012, 08:21 AM

You can't speak for a female though, you have no right to speak for any one other than yourself because what her and her doctor deem necessary has nothing to do with how you feel about YOUR nose.

speechlesstx · Oct 31, 2012, 08:29 AM

You can't speak for a female though, you have no right to speak for any one other than yourself because what her and her doctor deem necessary has nothing to do with how you feel about YOUR nose.

Oh waaa! Your guy is installing an unaccountable board that's going to decide what to pay for so your protestations are misdirected. And as far as ex's point goes, I'll let him spin his way out.

excon · Oct 31, 2012, 08:31 AM

Hello again, Steve:

Why is "medically necessary" the issue? Or, better yet, why is YOUR definition of what's medically necessary a valid one? I'll bet there are many doctors who would disagree with definition. Frankly, THEIR opinions carry more weight with me than your religious based one does.

Now, you're entitled to your religious beliefs, but you can't impose them upon the public at large. When you're a public employer, you must adhere to the rules ALL public employers have to.

By the way, if you think contraceptives are a CHOICE, why can't you buy them at 7/Eleven?

Now, it COULD be argued, and I'm sure it is, that if a family wanted to CONTROL its output, it would be MEDICALLY necessary to have a doctor manage it...

excon

speechlesstx · Oct 31, 2012, 08:59 AM

Why is "medically necessary" the issue?

Really? Because some things are optional.

Now, you're entitled to your religious beliefs, but you can't impose them upon the public at large. When you're a public employer, you must adhere to the rules ALL public employers have to.

Um, a Catholic school is not a PUBLIC employer, and as I've said before you are free to accept their terms of employment or you're free to work elsewhere. But leave it to you lefties to turn voluntary association with an employer into imposing religious beliefs on the country instead of the government imposing its beliefs on the church.

Let me rephrase what I said to Tal earlier, you're both right out of an Orwell novel.

By the way, if you think contraceptives are a CHOICE, why can't you buy them at 7/Eleven?

Heck, you can still buy them in truck stop restrooms if you have a couple of quarters.

excon · Oct 31, 2012, 09:11 AM

Hello again, Steve:

Heck, you can still buy them in truck stop restrooms if you have a couple of quarters.

Those are the ones for men. We're talking about woman's health. They need to see a DOCTOR.

That's all you got?

Excon

speechlesstx · Oct 31, 2012, 09:45 AM

Those are the ones for men. We're talking about woman's health. They need to see a DOCTOR.

Well I suppose if it's two women involved they don't need contraceptives now do they?

That's all you got?

Nope, you ignored this part:

Really? Because some things are optional.

Quote:
Now, you're entitled to your religious beliefs, but you can't impose them upon the public at large. When you're a public employer, you must adhere to the rules ALL public employers have to.

Um, a Catholic school is not a PUBLIC employer, and as I've said before you are free to accept their terms of employment or you're free to work elsewhere. But leave it to you lefties to turn voluntary association with an employer into imposing religious beliefs on the country instead of the government imposing its beliefs on the church.

Let me rephrase what I said to Tal earlier, you're both right out of an Orwell novel.

NeedKarma · Oct 31, 2012, 11:55 AM

Um, a Catholic school is not a PUBLIC employer,

Since when is a catholic school an insurance company?

speechlesstx · Oct 31, 2012, 12:47 PM

Since when is a catholic school an insurance company?

Who said they were?

talaniman · Oct 31, 2012, 01:31 PM

Some things for you and your way of thinking may be optional but that doesn't hold for a female who is poor, or working poor or a working poor guy.

Why are you even presuming to know what's best for any female? And show me where its an unaccountable board making decisions about what's necessary or not.

What do you have against doctors, science, medicine, and the truth AND women?

NeedKarma · Oct 31, 2012, 01:35 PM

Plus if catholics cannot use contraceptives then there will zero demand for them, right? The problem solves itself.

speechlesstx · Oct 31, 2012, 02:08 PM

Some things for you and your way of thinking may be optional but that doesn't hold for a female who is poor, or working poor or a working poor guy.

Oh boo hoo, don't play the pity card. I've already shown there is no problem with access to contraceptives so it's a phony, phony argument.

Why are you even presuming to know what's best for any female?

Another straw man.

And show me where its an unaccountable board making decisions about what's necessary or not.

The Independent Payment Advisory Board, look it up.

What do you have against doctors, science, medicine, and the truth AND women?

Love 'em all. And you? Especially that truth thing.

Wondergirl · Oct 31, 2012, 02:42 PM

Originally Posted by speechlesstx

Oh boo hoo, don't play the pity card. I've already shown there is no problem with access to contraceptives so it's a phony, phony argument.

Please run it by me again. I read your posts faithfully and don't remember what the access point is.

speechlesstx · Oct 31, 2012, 05:13 PM

Try the search feature.

Wondergirl · Oct 31, 2012, 05:38 PM

Originally Posted by speechlesstx

Try the search feature.

I was hoping you would remember and give me a word or two.

talaniman · Oct 31, 2012, 08:41 PM

Originally Posted by speechlesstx

The Independent Payment Advisory Board, look it up.

My pleasure,I love researching for FACTS!!

Independent Payment Advisory Board - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The new system grants IPAB the authority to make changes to the Medicare program with the Congress being given the power to overrule the agency's decisions through supermajority vote.

If the Board fails to submit a proposal that the Chief Actuary certifies will achieve the savings target, the Secretary of Health and Human Services must submit a proposal that will achieve that amount of savings. The Secretary must then implement the proposal unless Congress enacts resolutions made to override the Board's (or the Secretary's) decisions under a fast-track procedure that the law sets forth.[1]

So much for the no accountability.

IPAB is composed of fifteen members appointed by the President, subject to Senate confirmation. The Secretary of HHS, the Administrator of the Center for Medicare and Medicaid Services, and the Administrator of the Health Resources and Services Administration serve ex officio as nonvoting members.[15] In making the appointments, the President consults with the Majority Leader of the Senate concerning the appointment of three members; the Speaker of the House of Representatives concerning the appointment of three members, the Minority Leader of the Senate concerning the appointment of three members, and the Minority Leader of the House of Representatives concerning the appointment of three members.[16]

Bi partisan for sure, the goal,

IPAB is tasked with developing specific proposals to bring the net growth in Medicare spending back to target levels if the Medicare Actuary determines that net spending is forecast to exceed target levels, beginning in 2015.

To put it simply, oversight to bring down health care costs,and increase coverage. Geez guy we have to do better than the increases of the past or none of us will be able to afford aspirin, and unless you have a better idea besides criticizing those who try then doing NOTHING is NOT a great option is it.

I know you think that access for everybody has already been established, but in the real world, that's just not the case and your catholic charities will confirm that if you talk to them. The bigger the city, the bigger the problem, and people do fall through the cracks because its easier than you think, even for the rugged small town studs like yourself.

And you won't replace honest debate with that 'straw argument' phrase. Its a cop out. Go volunteer at some hospital or church and tell me about all those people who have all that access.

speechlesstx · Nov 1, 2012, 06:36 AM

I was hoping you would remember and give me a word or two.

"there is no problem with access to contraceptives."

I guess Tal doesn't get what "independent" means and that cutting Medicare costs means cutting services. If it isn't funded, it isn't provided.

NeedKarma · Nov 1, 2012, 07:08 AM

"there is no problem with access to contraceptives."

Which page of the report says that?

talaniman · Nov 1, 2012, 12:00 PM

Originally Posted by speechlesstx

"there is no problem with access to contraceptives."

I guess Tal doesn't get what "independent" means and that cutting Medicare costs means cutting services. If it isn't funded, it isn't provided.

Easy enough to miss I guess?

which has the explicit task of achieving specified savings in Medicare without affecting coverage or quality.[1

They may be independent, but the congress can over rule anything the recommend.

speechlesstx · Nov 1, 2012, 12:45 PM

It would require a 2/3 Senate majority to overrule their recommendations.