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speechlesstx · Oct 22, 2012, 06:28 AM

I honestly still have to laugh at the thought of a right-wing war on women. The idea is absurd. You guys sound like 3rd graders.

speechlesstx · Oct 22, 2012, 06:42 AM

P.S.

a fox news poll of Florida likely voters shows republican nominee mitt romney now tops barack obama in the battleground state by 48 percent to 45 percent.

The poll, released Friday, shows an eight-point reversal and a four-point increase for romney. Last month, he trailed obama by 44-49 percent (september 16-18, 2012)…

Consider this: Obama tops romney by one percentage point among women now, down from a 19-point edge last month. and romney has extended his advantage among married women to 13 points, up from a seven-point edge.

Obviously the war on women thingy is working.

excon · Oct 22, 2012, 06:55 AM

Hello again, Steve:

Those stats tell me the war on women IS working just fine, from your point of view. Right doesn't always prevail.

excon

speechlesstx · Oct 22, 2012, 11:58 AM

But in this case it does, there's nothing right about a phony war on women.

talaniman · Oct 22, 2012, 04:46 PM

You can't see a war because you are just protecing the unborn child. Whether its wanted or NOT, but yet like a dead beat dad, your party seeks to make sure a female gets NO help and support for the choice you force her to make.

speechlesstx · Oct 22, 2012, 05:28 PM

Originally Posted by talaniman

You can't see a war because you are just protecing the unborn child. Whether its wanted or NOT, but yet like a dead beat dad, your party seeks to make sure a female gets NO help and support for the choice you force her to make.

Wrong, Tal. No one wants to leave a woman helpless. Support comes in more forms than just giving her justification for abortion.

Wondergirl · Oct 22, 2012, 05:32 PM

Originally Posted by speechlesstx

Support comes in more forms than just giving her justification for abortion.

Please list all the forms.

speechlesstx · Oct 23, 2012, 06:29 AM

Please list all the forms.

Have you never heard of a crisis pregnancy center?

The pregnancy-center clinic, with its new ultrasound machine, has been open only since December, but already the staff can count the women who came in considering an abortion and changed their minds: five women converted, six lives saved, they declare, since one was carrying twins. "They connected," nurse Joyce Wilson says, recalling the reaction of the women who saw the filmy image of their fetus onscreen. "They bonded. You could just see it. One girl got off the table and said, 'That's my baby.'"

"Another got up," Deborah Wood says, "and said, 'This changes everything.'"

Wood is the CEO of Asheville Pregnancy Support Services in Asheville, North Carolina, one of the thousands of crisis pregnancy centers in the U.S. that are working to end abortion. Hers is the new face of an old movement: kind, calm, nonjudgmental, a special-forces soldier in the abortion wars who is fighting her battles one conscience at a time. Her center helps women navigate the social-service bureaucracy, sign up for Medicaid and begin prenatal care. She helps pregnant girls find emergency housing if their parents threaten to throw them out. Free pregnancy tests and ultrasounds are just the latest service.

I've had enough of this lie: "Whether its wanted or NOT, but yet like a dead beat dad, your party seeks to make sure a female gets NO help and support for the choice you force her to make."

We give plenty of help to women in need; it's just not the kind the pro-choice side wants, unfettered taxpayer funded access to abortion - with or without parental permission for minors, teaching PP's sex ed programs, forcing the church to buy contraceptives, etc.

We not only help them out of our own time and money to get what help they need, they get compassion, hope, understanding and most importantly, unconditional LOVE. Don't tell me a woman doesn't want to be loved.

NeedKarma · Oct 23, 2012, 06:51 AM

Have you never heard of a crisis pregnancy center?

Not until now:

'Choose life' to fund centers | CharlotteObserver.com

NARAL says it found the majority of the centers it investigated in North Carolina had no medical professionals on staff, and only a quarter of them disclosed they were not medical facilities. More than two-thirds provided distorted or false information about abortion risks and consequences.

The report says one Jewish investigator who posed as a pregnant woman was told at five centers she wouldn't go to heaven unless she converted to Christianity, and that one volunteer challenged her to become a "born-again virgin."

Feminist Campus - Campaign to Expose Fake Clinics

San Francisco Tells Crisis Pregnancy Centers to Stop Lying to Women | The Stir

Christian Pregnancy Crisis Clinics Exposed - YouTube

UCLA Student Exposes The False "Options" Of Crisis Pregnancy Centers

speechlesstx · Oct 23, 2012, 07:17 AM

Dude, I could just as easily post far worse info about Planned Parenthood and NARAL is hardly an unbiased voice I'd go to for the scoop on pro-life groups.

I don't know anything about "anti-abortion clinics" but I am well familiar with respected crisis pregnancy centers. But leave it to you to demean the idea of giving women not only the support they need that Tal claims we don't offer, but love and compassion in the process.

NeedKarma · Oct 23, 2012, 07:24 AM

respected crisis pregnancy centers

Apparently they are anything but "respected". I see no love and compassion but instilling guilt using deception during a difficult period in a woman's life. Shame of them for their bait and switch techniques.

speedball1 · Oct 23, 2012, 07:49 AM

Have you never heard of a crisis pregnancy center?

Need Karma nailed it! Way ta go Karma! We had several in Sarasota that specialized in guilt trips, "You're going to Hell if you abort." _You're going to Hell if you don't embrace our particular brand of religion."
They attempted to word their phone book ad to look like ours so girls would think they would be walking into a Woman's Clinic. The phone company put a stop to that.
Pregnancy Centers work on guilt, falsehood and half truths. None of them has a medical background but they insist on giving out medical advice. I can picture Speechless as a director for one of them. Tom

speechlesstx · Oct 23, 2012, 09:21 AM

Apparently they are anything but "respected".

What part of I don't know anything about "anti-abortion clinics" do you not get? We're talking apples and oranges here, dude.

I see no love and compassion but instilling guilt using deception during a difficult period in a woman's life. Shame of them for their bait and switch techniques.

I agree, but I'm sure you won't let the truth get in the way of your smears anyway.

Originally Posted by ;

Need Karma nailed it! Way ta go Karma! We had several in Sarasota that specialized in guilt trips, "You're going to Hell if you abort." _You're going to Hell if you don't embrace our particular brand of religion." They attempted to word their phone book ad to look like ours so girls would think they would be walking into a Woman's Clinic. The phone company put a stop to that. Pregnancy Centers work on guilt, falsehood and half truths. None of them has a medical background but they insist on giving out medical advice. I can picture Speechless as a director for one of them. Tom

Dude, you're projecting. There's help for that, too.

NeedKarma · Oct 23, 2012, 09:50 AM

It's good that these fake clinics were exposed. Thanks Steve!

speechlesstx · Oct 23, 2012, 10:06 AM

It's good that these fake clinics were exposed. Thanks Steve!

Again, the idea of love in action is lost on you. But is good to know you think playing with the lives of women is a game.

NeedKarma · Oct 23, 2012, 10:56 AM

I see your posts here, I'm sure "love" is your main concern... not! LOL.

speechlesstx · Oct 23, 2012, 11:54 AM

I see your posts here, I'm sure "love" is your main concern... not! LOL.

And there go validating my last point, right on cue. Do you never learn?

NeedKarma · Oct 23, 2012, 12:13 PM

What was validated? I showed that this organization uses subterfuge to get a specific message to women... and along the way it makes them feel bad about themselves. I'm not sure why you think playing with the lives of women is something to celebrate and promote.

talaniman · Oct 23, 2012, 12:50 PM

Takes 18 years to bring a child to full maturity, and getting it there is but he beginning. What do you do for those 18 years the child is growing in the real world? That's when the love and support is needed, and where your argument falls apart, Speech, because you have not acted as a parent after forcing or fooling YOUR choice on a female.

When the child is born, you do the same thing a dead beat dad does, you leave and go about your business. Maybe not YOU personally, but your party does, or would if not for those that know better.

Bet those females that change heir minds up and go to a real clinic like Planned Parenthood for real doctors, and real help. If you are not going to be here for the whole process then don't force the choice.

Obligations don't end after birth!

speechlesstx · Oct 23, 2012, 01:18 PM

Takes 18 years to bring a child to full maturity, and getting it there is but he beginning. What do you do for those 18 years the child is growing in the real world? That's when the love and support is needed, and where your argument falls apart, Speech, because you have not acted as a parent after forcing or fooling YOUR choice on a female.

When the child is born, you do the same thing a dead beat dad does, you leave and go about your business. Maybe not YOU personally, but your party does, or would if not for those that know better.

Bet those females that change heir minds up and go to a real clinic like Planned Parenthood for real doctors, and real help. If you are not going to be here for the whole process then don't force the choice.

Obligations don't end after birth!

Stop basing your argument on assumptions, Tal. You may think women are nothing more than helpless political tools in need of a government rescue but I don't. And I do find it ironic that you're OK with telling the very organizations you chastise for allegedly not doing enough, to cease providing such support for the sake of buying a hapless Georgetown grad's contraceptives.

That's the problem with liberals, you want it both ways. You whine and moan that we don't care while interfering with our ability to do just that. You want to replace what works with a cold, heartless government bureaucracy. People are not pawns, Tal.