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  • Romney

    10 50.00%
  • Obama

    10 50.00%
  • Romney is in denial

    5 25.00%
  • Obama is a communist

    3 15.00%
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    #261

    Oct 17, 2012, 01:13 PM
    Loved this cartoon that flowed out of the "binders full of women" meme.
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    #262

    Oct 17, 2012, 01:47 PM
    Obama's Female Debate Coach Complained About 'Hostile Workplace' at White House

    Last night, President Obama presented himself as a crusader for women's issues. He later tweeted:

    Mitt Romney still won’t say whether he’d stand up for equal pay, but he did tell us he has “binders full of women.” OFA.BO/LMVWmZ

    — Barack Obama (@BarackObama) October 17, 2012

    What's interesting about this is President Obama's own history with women in the work place.

    When one of President Obama's debate coaches, Anita Dunn, worked at the White House, this is what she reportedly had to say about her experience there:

    “This place would be in court for a hostile workplace. ... Because it actually fit all of the classic legal requirements for a genuinely hostile workplace to women.”

    In the same piece, former economic adviser Christina Romer is reported as saying, "I felt like a piece of meat."

    “‘I felt like a piece of meat,’ Christina Romer, former head of the Council of Economic Advisers, said of one meeting in which Suskind writes she was ‘boxed out’ by Summers,” reported the Post.

    Time magazine called Obama's White House a "Boys' Club."
    Would women rather be in Romney's binder or treated with hostility like a "piece of meat?"
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    #263

    Oct 17, 2012, 02:01 PM
    Funny how that surfaces a year after the incident. I don't remember you guys being outraged then, is now a better time?
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    #264

    Oct 17, 2012, 02:11 PM
    Anita Dunn: Not Merely a Liar, but a Foolish One - By Jim Geraghty - The Campaign Spot - National Review Online

    Dunn says she was quoted out of context and told The Post on Friday that she told Suskind “point blank” that the White House was not a hostile work environment... “I remember once I told Valerie that, I said if it weren't for the president, this place would be in court for a hostile workplace,” Dunn is heard telling Suskind. “Because it actually fit all of the classic legal requirements for a genuinely hostile workplace to women.”
    Book: Women in Obama White House felt excluded and ignored - The Washington Post

    “There isn't a single woman in this ad,” Dunn said. “I was dumbfounded. It wasn't like they were being deliberately sexist. It's just there was no one offering a female perspective.”

    The ad was later reshot, with women included
    Nice try.
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    #265

    Oct 17, 2012, 02:22 PM

    Lets take a look beyond the words. What is Obama really doing ?

    (quote)


    According to the 2011 annual report on White House staff, female employees earned a median annual salary of $60,000, which was about 18 percent less than the median salary for male employees ($71,000).


    http://freebeacon.com/hostile-workplace/
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    #266

    Oct 17, 2012, 02:43 PM
    You can't draw conculsions from such statistics a median is simply the mid point in a series of numbers and the larger the number of lower numbers the further down the scale the median will be. Now if you had said that the number of females employed in senior roles is significantly less than males your statistic might have provided evidence of bias, but you have not provided any evidence that females doing equivalent work are paid less..

    The point here is that skill sets are different and responsibilities are different and they produce different income outcomes. I don't expect these "lower paid" female employees are expected to put in the equivalent hours of their "highly paid" male counterparts
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    #267

    Oct 17, 2012, 02:49 PM
    Funny how that surfaces a year after the incident. I don't remember you guys being outraged then, is now a better time?
    Dude, you're the one that thinks all I do is hammer Obama and Democrats. You just proved your own argument wrong. Good job.
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    #268

    Oct 17, 2012, 03:00 PM
    White House Payroll Up 14% Under Obama

    Job description is what defines equal pay for equal work. And I would have to breakdown those averages between males and females. Now we can debate how many of each gender or where they are assigned.
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    #269

    Oct 17, 2012, 03:09 PM
    Dude, you're the one that thinks all I do is hammer Obama and Democrats. You just proved your own argument wrong. Good job.
    There was a reason for it not being a big issue, as Tal showed your rag source lied about the context.
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    #270

    Oct 17, 2012, 03:49 PM
    More Romney debate LIES,

    As Governor, Romney's Eagerness to Hire Women Faded - NYTimes.com

    It was perhaps not his best moment. By Wednesday morning, skeptics pounced on his claim, citing a 2007 academic study that concluded that when Mr. Romney left office in December 2006, the share of women in top policy-making jobs was actually smaller than it was under his Republican predecessor.

    Moreover, women's-rights advocates said that Mr. Romney had falsely claimed to be the inspiration for promoting women to high positions when in fact a women's political organization had conceived and largely executed it.
    Though Mr. Romney clearly misspoke, it is interesting to note that he claimed to have appointed more women to top jobs than any other governor, when the two studies measured percentages, not raw numbers.

    Were you to use raw numbers, you'd find that 21 governors named more women to top posts than did Romney, Saidel said, largely because a lot of states give governors the right to name lots of appointees. Those governors chose more women, but they chose even more men, putting them behind Mass in the share of appointees.
    Maybe the dog ate his homework.
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    #271

    Oct 17, 2012, 03:57 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by NeedKarma View Post
    Pictures leaked from Romney's office:

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    #272

    Oct 17, 2012, 04:07 PM
    Romney's Proposal to Cap Deductions Would Not Pay for His Tax Cuts - NYTimes.com

    Those pesky tax policy guys again, so when do we get more details.
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    #273

    Oct 17, 2012, 05:44 PM
    Look, start from the base that everything is on the table and that they will steadily eliminate each option so to not piss off too many voters in each sector until they find, like so many others, that you cannot eliminate anything. All you can really do is tweak the system at the edges or you can be sensible and decide that you can put a total cap on the whole thing by going back to the minimum tax, that's what happened before.

    With mortgage rates low, you can bet that they will think we should eliminate the mortgage interest deduction, but wait if we do that we kick the housing market in the guts. With church attendance falling they will think we can eliminate that part of charitable deductions, but there are still too many mormons that would piss off. On and on it goes until there is no way to get it done. It's like cutting red tape, how do you do it without doing what Pol Pot did
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    #274

    Oct 18, 2012, 05:02 AM
    The Tax Policy Center is a Leftist front group for the DNC. They are run by the far left Brooking Institute and the even farther left Urban League.Anything they publish has the same credibility as a DNC press release.
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    #275

    Oct 18, 2012, 05:13 AM
    Hello again, tom:

    This is NOT difficult... I don't need a think tank to tell me how to subtract... The numbers don't add up. If you have a mathematician to link me to that says they do, link away.

    Otherwise, I'm satisfied with the way I add.

    excon
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    #276

    Oct 18, 2012, 05:18 AM
    Mitt Romney's Tax Plan and Tax Policy Center's Skewed Analysis
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    #277

    Oct 18, 2012, 05:37 AM
    Hello again, tom:

    Thanks, but that link didn't tell me that Romney's plan works.. It just says that the TPC is wrong..

    Look.. I KNOW what 20% of the taxes are. I KNOW how many MAJOR loopholes, I mean deductions, there are. I KNOW what's left if we cut them out. I KNOW that he wants to INCREASE spending on the military. I just want to know how it adds up... It's a simple request.

    What? Is he afraid that I'm going to LIKE 'em too much?

    excon
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    #278

    Oct 18, 2012, 05:46 AM
    He wants the nation that spends 41% of all military spending to spend more, what sort of ratbag is this guy, he must be smoking dope or it's america against the world, pure meglomania

    List of countries by military expenditures - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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    #279

    Oct 18, 2012, 06:17 AM
    Ex, what is Obama's plan? So far he's running on a the same theme of "liar, liar pants on fire" and "forward." What the hell is "forward?" Quite frankly I think Romney could win by using Giuliani's first slogan, ‘you can't do any worse."
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    #280

    Oct 18, 2012, 06:46 AM
    The biggest lie of the night :
    OBAMA: Barry, I think a lot of this campaign, maybe over the
    Last four years, has been devoted to this nation that I think
    Government creates jobs, that that somehow is the answer.

    That's not what I believe. I believe that the free enterprise
    System is the greatest engine of prosperity the world's ever known.

    I believe in self-reliance and individual initiative and risk
    Takers being rewarded.

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