[NeedKarma]

The election is not about Romney.

Sure it is. Typical americans don't care about economic facts. They'll vote for the lesser evil of character and now it appears it's Obama. For example the large majority of the political posts in Current Events don't discuss facts and platforms, they are specifically designed to elicit an emotional reaction - THAT is indeed what will sink Romney.

[paraclete]

Nothing emotional here karma just the facts

[smoothy]

Sure it is. Typical americans don't care about economic facts. They'll vote for the lesser evil of character and now it appears it's Obama. For example the large majority of the political posts in Current Events don;t discuss facts and platforms, they are specifically designed to elicit an emotional reaction - THAT is indeed what will sink Romney.

And you and ex have never ever done such a thing have you?

[NeedKarma]

As a parody :-)

[tomder55]

They'll vote for the lesser evil of character

You believe that ? GW Bush won 2 campaigns . I guess that made the Goracle and Kerry the more evil character .

[paraclete]

Could be Tom perspectives you know although Gore was cheated so who was the more evil character there

[tomder55]

Really don't want to argue the 2000 campaign again. Suffice it to say that an independent recount by new organizations showed that Bush had won the State of Florida. BTW ;Gore lost for3 reasons... The 1st was that Nader siphoned away some of Gore's votes (for all you lovers of 3rd parties );The next is that he ran a poor campaign and exiled Bill Clintoon from participating ;and 3rd ,and most important . There was a recession due to the Dot com bubble burst at the end of the Clintoon term. Economics was the major factor.

[excon]

The election is not about Romney. It is about the economy, which is sluggish and discouraging.

Hello again, tom:

Nahhh... If that were so, Obama would be behind by 10. People KNOW the economy sucks.. They just think Romney sucks MORE. This ISN'T going to be an Obama win. It's going to be a Romney LOSS.

excon

[paraclete]

You find all the excuses you like Tom in your election you have admitted it is choosing the lesser evil or as Rusty said the lesser of two weivels

[talaniman]

Romney cooked the books, he did it before to be govenor.

[paraclete]

So you think he will try it again

[speechlesstx]

Hello again, tom:

Nahhh... If that were so, Obama would be behind by 10. People KNOW the economy sucks.. They just think Romney sucks MORE. This ISN'T going to be an Obama win. It's going to be a Romney LOSS.

excon

Obama is just a supremely skilled liar and the media is willingly complicit.

[excon]

Obama is just a supremely skilled liar and the media is willingly complicit.

Hello again, Steve:

What a lousy country this is... The guy who lies wins, while the wonderful Mormon fellow, who doesn't swear, drink coffee or lie, is going to lose... I think I'll move...

Bwa, ha ha ha..

excon

[talaniman]

so you think he will try it again

It worked before.

[speechlesstx]

Hello again, Steve:

What a lousy country this is... The guy who lies wins, while the wonderful Mormon fellow, who doesn't swear, drink coffee or lie, is gonna lose... I think I'll move...

Bwa, ha ha ha..

excon

Dude, Univision to their credit caught him in his lies, when will the others? The media is not serving the public by letting Obama get away with his bullsh*t, if we can't have at least a semblance of an honest debate then what's the point? They KNOW -as do you- he's feeding America lies, and if that's what this country has become then you can have it. I want no part of a country that's willing to sacrifice its honor, its constitution and my rights.

Go ahead, gimme your best shot. You know I'm right. I haven't changed, you have.

[cdad]

Obama is just a supremely skilled liar and the media is willingly complicit.

And if he gets caught. No problem just blame Bush.

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/09/president-obama-falsely-claims-fast-and-furious-program-begun-under-the-previous-administration/


Wonder why this one isn't continuing to be a top news story??

[talaniman]

Dude, Univision to their credit caught him in his lies, when will the others? The media is not serving the public by letting Obama get away with his bullsh*t, if we can't have at least a semblance of an honest debate then what's the point? They KNOW -as do you- he's feeding America lies, and if that's what this country has become then you can have it. I want no part of a country that's willing to sacrifice its honor, its constitution and my rights.

Go ahead, gimme your best shot. You know I'm right. I haven't changed, you have.

Between Obama and Mitt when are you leaving? We already have examples of your semblance of honest debate... call the other side liars, and your side the truth.

[excon]

Dude, Univision to their credit caught him in his lies, when will the others?

Go ahead, gimme your best shot. You know I'm right. I haven't changed, you have.

Hello again, Steve:

My best shot is the truth.

2006–2008: Operation Wide Receiver.

The first known ATF "gunwalking" operation to Mexican drug cartels, named Operation Wide Receiver, began in early 2006 and ran into late 2007. Licensed dealer Mike Detty of Mad Dawg Global informed the ATF of a suspicious gun purchase that took place in February 2006 in Tucson, Arizona. In March he was hired as a confidential informant working with the ATF's Tucson office, part of their Phoenix, Arizona field division.[27] With the use of surveillance equipment, ATF agents monitored additional sales by Detty to straw purchasers. With assurance from ATF "that Mexican officials would be conducting surveillance or interdictions when guns got to the other side of the border",[12] Detty would sell a total of about 450 guns during the operation.[26] These included AR-15s, semi-automatic AK-pattern rifles, and Colt .38s. The majority of the guns were eventually lost as they moved into Mexico.[7][27][28][29]

At the time, under the Bush administration Department of Justice (DOJ), no arrests or indictments were made. After President Barack Obama took office in 2009, the DOJ reviewed Wide Receiver and found that guns had been allowed into the hands of suspected gun traffickers. Indictments began in 2010, over three years after Wide Receiver concluded. As of October 4, 2011, nine people had been charged with making false statements in acquisition of firearms and illicit transfer, shipment or delivery of firearms.[20] As of November, charges against one defendant had been dropped; five of them had pled guilty, and one had been sentenced to one year and one day in prison. Two of them remained fugitives.[27]

What else is there to say?

Excon

[talaniman]

And if he gets caught. No problem just blame Bush.

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/09/president-obama-falsely-claims-fast-and-furious-program-begun-under-the-previous-administration/


Wonder why this one isn't continuing to be a top news story??

But this was not entirely an exoneration of the Justice Department run by Mr. Holder. “We found it troubling that a case of this magnitude, and one that affected Mexico so significantly was not directly briefed to the Attorney General,” the report stated.

In addition to specific disciplinary measures, the Inspector General “made six recommendations designed to increase the Department’s involvement in and oversight of ATF operations, improve coordination among the Department’s law enforcement components, and enhance the Department’s wiretap application review and authorization process. The OIG intends to closely monitor the department’s progress in implementing these recommendations.”

They may have changed the name of the program but it was the same program.

Asked for comment, White House Spokesman Eric Schultz said, “The President was referring to the flawed tactic of gun-walking, which despite Republicans efforts to politicize this issue, began under the previous Administration and it was our Attorney General who ended it. In fact, this week’s IG report affirms this and if Republicans still have any legitimate questions about Fast and Furious, the 450-page report answers them. In light of this thorough report and Congress’s 16 month-long investigation, Republicans have no excuse to keep wasting time and taxpayer resources on politically-motivated, election-year attacks.”

The locals screwed up and tried to cover it up.

[cdad]

They may have changed the name of the program but it was the same program.

So what your saying is the man that claimed to be about hope and change didn't really want either.

To use the quote from ex:

At the time, under the Bush administration Department of Justice (DOJ), no arrests or indictments were made. After President Barack Obama took office in 2009, the DOJ reviewed Wide Receiver and found that guns had been allowed into the hands of suspected gun traffickers. Indictments began in 2010, over three years after Wide Receiver concluded. As of October 4, 2011, nine people had been charged with making false statements in acquisition of firearms and illicit transfer, shipment or delivery of firearms.[20] As of November, charges against one defendant had been dropped; five of them had pled guilty, and one had been sentenced to one year and one day in prison. Two of them remained fugitives.[27]


It sounds like that ended in 2007, Well before he took office and they had decided to continue with more of the same bad decisions. I wonder who is really running the place when he can run away from responsibility so easily??