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    #381

    Aug 29, 2012, 07:37 AM
    THe speech by Artur Davis MSNBC refused to show:



    Excerpt:

    We don’t need flowery words about inequality to tell us that, and we don’t need a party that has led while poverty and hunger rose to record levels to give us lectures about suffering.

    Ladies and gentlemen, there are Americans who are listening to this speech tonight who haven’t always been with you, and I want you to let me talk — just to them – for a moment.

    I know how loaded up our politics is with anger and animosity, but I have to believe we can still make a case over the raised voices.

    There are Americans who voted for the president, but who are searching right now, because they know that their votes didn’t build the country they wanted.

    To those Democrats and independents whose minds are open to argument: listen closely to the Democratic Party that will gather in Charlotte and ask yourself if you ever hear your voice in the clamor.

    Ask yourself if these Democrats still speak for you.

    When they say we have a duty to grow government even when we can’t afford it, does it sound like compassion to you — or recklessness?

    When you hear the party that glorified Occupy Wall Street blast success; when you hear them minimize the genius of the men and women who make jobs out of nothing, is that what you teach your children about work?

    When they tell you America is this unequal place where the powerful trample on the powerless, does that sound like the country your children or your spouse risked their lives for in Iraq or Afghanistan?

    Do you even recognize the America they are talking about? And what can we say about a house that doesn’t honor the pictures on its walls?

    John F. Kennedy asked us what we could do for America. This Democratic Party asks what can government give you. Don’t worry about paying the bill, it’s on your kids and grandkids.

    Bill Clinton took on his base and made welfare a thing you had to work for; this current crowd guts the welfare work requirement in the dead of night.

    Bill Clinton, Jack Kennedy and Lyndon Johnson reached out across the aisle and said meet me in the middle; but their party rammed through a healthcare bill that took over one-sixth of our economy, without accepting a single Republican idea, without winning a single vote in either house from a party whose constituents make up about 50 percent of the country.

    You know, the Democrats used to have a night when they presented a film of their presidential legends: if they do it in Charlotte, the theme song should be this year’s hit, “Somebody That I Used to Know.”
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    Aug 29, 2012, 07:43 AM
    You guys can have him, and Allen West too! I failto see your point.
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    Aug 29, 2012, 07:47 AM
    Hello again, Steve:

    I say you declare war on women... You say, NO.

    He says, "When they say we have a duty to grow government even when we can't afford it", I say he's repeating right wing talking points..

    So, WHEN I hear a Republican, even a black Republican repeating the right wing LIES, I turn off. I'm just not INTERESTED in ANYTHING else he has to say - NOTHING! He's a right wing blackbot..

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    #384

    Aug 29, 2012, 07:55 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by speechlesstx View Post
    THe speech by Artur Davis MSNBC refused to show:
    Bill Clinton took on his base and made welfare a thing you had to work for; this current crowd guts the welfare work requirement in the dead of night.
    Hard to give him credence when he trots out that lie for all to hear.
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    Aug 29, 2012, 08:18 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by talaniman View Post
    You guys can have him, and Allen West too! I failto see your point.
    Obviously you're not one of those "Democrats and independents whose minds are open to argument."

    And the tradeoff is Davis for Charlie Crist. He's probably suntanned enough to somewhat resemble a minority but otherwise he's just an opportunistic dufus. We got the better end of the deal.
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    Aug 29, 2012, 08:19 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by NeedKarma View Post
    Hard to give him credence when he trots out that lie for all to hear.
    Prove the lie.
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    Aug 29, 2012, 08:24 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by excon View Post
    Hello again, Steve:

    I say you declare war on women... You say, NO.

    He says, "When they say we have a duty to grow government even when we can’t afford it", I say he's repeating right wing talking points..

    So, WHEN I hear a Republican, even a black Republican repeating the right wing LIES, I turn off. I'm just not INTERESTED in ANYTHING else he has to say - NOTHING! He's a right wing blackbot..

    excon
    Um, this is the guy that nominated Barack Obama four years ago. I'd hardly call that a "right wing blackbot" but I get it, any black that joins the GOP isn't genuinely black. And you think WE are the racists.
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    Aug 29, 2012, 08:29 AM
    I read what you wrote he said, and I am not impressed, and neither would you be if you followed his campaign in Alabama.

    But obviously a black face is all you need to claim diversity, and that's par for the course since a few dem votes makes things bi partisan.
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    Aug 29, 2012, 08:47 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by speechlesstx View Post
    And you think WE are the racists.
    Hello again, Steve:

    Wow. Here's the problem.. You guys don't know the difference between politics and racism... I don't like THIS particular black person. I don't like Allen West either.. And, NO, that doesn't make me a racist... I think Dennis Miller is a comicbot, too, but that doesn't mean I hate all comedians.

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    #390

    Aug 29, 2012, 09:11 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by talaniman View Post
    But obviously a black face is all you need to claim diversity...
    Better to be diverse than claim it hypocritically.

    The only ones paying attention to skin color are on the left, we're way past making it about race.

    Your side not only won't let it go, you do your damnedest to de-legitimatize any minority that dares not toe the Democrat line. You just did it, ex just did it, MSNBC deceived its 7 viewers by intentionally cutting away to something else when a minority speaker was up. That's downright despicable.
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    #391

    Aug 29, 2012, 09:13 AM
    He was rejected by the dems, you guys took him. You got him!
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    Aug 29, 2012, 09:20 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by excon View Post
    Hello again, Steve:

    Wow. Here's the problem.. You guys don't know the difference between politics and racism... I don't like THIS particular black person. I don't like Allen West either.. And, NO, that doesn't make me a racist... I think Dennis Miller is a comicbot, too, but that doesn't mean I hate all comedians.

    excon
    Wow. Coming from the side of the aisle that's spent 4 years telling us Obama's politics has nothing to do with why we dislike him, the ONLY POSSIBLE REASON we don't like, excuse me I believe your word is HATE, Obama is because he's black. But you gave me a chuckle for trying.
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    #393

    Aug 29, 2012, 09:38 AM
    You guys decided day one that you would not help him at all, and have thrown rocks ever since.

    He has deported more illegals than any president, you holler the fence isn'thigh enough. He sends more troops to the border, you holler he hasn't sent enough so you need to round up everyone who talks different, or looks different and hold them. He shrinks the federal work force, you guys say he is growing government. He gives welfare to the states you holler he is giving away money.

    He cuts taxes you guys say he spent too much, he sends the states money, you guys take credit for it. He kills Osama, you guys say Bush did it.

    He farts, you guys say he pollutes the air. Get my drift? Cry b1tch and moan about what he isn't doing right. While you do NOTHING but holler.
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    #394

    Aug 29, 2012, 09:54 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by talaniman View Post
    You guys decided day one that you would not help him at all, and have thrown rocks ever since.
    Again you refuse to acknowledge reality. Republicans tried to reach out, he said "I won." The House has done their job, your Democrat-controlled Senate won't consider anything, they haven't passed a budget in 3 years. He rammed Obamacare through, he formed a bipartisan debt commission and ignored them. Hell, he doesn't even help his own party, he 'leads' from behind. We need someone to lead, not a campaigner-in-chief.
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    #395

    Aug 29, 2012, 10:04 AM
    More right wing talking points? I think so?
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    Aug 29, 2012, 10:32 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by speechlesstx View Post
    Prove the lie.
    No problem:
    http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me...-welfare-work/
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    Aug 29, 2012, 10:47 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by talaniman View Post
    More right wing talking points? I think so?
    No sir. Facts.

    Like I said, we need someone to lead, not a campaigner-in-chief.
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    #398

    Aug 29, 2012, 11:13 AM
    Even more right wing talking points, keep screwing the country and blame the president. Just because he is a DEMOCRAT.

    Read the plan by Mitt yet??
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    #399

    Aug 29, 2012, 11:29 AM
    More? No, the same facts backed up. So what is it about the Mitt plan that takes from the poor, who have nothing to take, and gives to the rich. The 20 percent across the board tax cut? Eliminating the tax penalty on investments for those making less than $200k? I hardly see how letting you keep more of your money is stealing from the poor.
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    Aug 29, 2012, 11:32 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by NeedKarma View Post
    "Congress specifically shielded TANF from the waiver process to keep work requirements intact, this administration unilaterally overwrote the will of congress."

    That sir is fact.

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