[TUT317]

We have a pac blaming a guy for the death of a woman where none of the facts add up and a campaign outright lying about what they knew, but you and ex are more concerned about my signature because it may be "somewhat misleading"???

Really???

I think there are two different issues at work here.

However, as far as the Ad in question is concerned I am of the opinion that it is unacceptable. This is regardless of whoever is prepared to accept responsibility.

Tut

[speechlesstx]

How does it affect them if they are doing charity work and not offering insurance?

You must think everyone who works for a charity does so for free, like some magical money tree is going to make sure they feed their family.

[NeedKarma]

You must think everyone who works for a charity does so for free, like some magical money tree is going to make sure they feed their family.

Most charities work by donations and volunteerism. Once it becomes a revenue-generating business it has to abide by business rules.

[Wondergirl]

Most charities work by donations and volunteerism. Once it becomes a revenue-generating business it has to abide by business rules.

When I interned at Catholic Charities for six months, it was considered a social services agency and thus a business. Social workers and counselors were paid employees with benefits including health insurance. There was a management hierarchy. I am guessing that is still the case.

[talaniman]

LOL, I find it interesting that church officials are hollering about religious freedom, while the workers are protesting draconian policies that are against the poor.

Nuns on the Bus: 2700 Miles, Nine States, and a Rock Star DC Welcome | (A)theologies | Religion Dispatches

I suspect, though I have no privileged evidence, that the real push for the nuns was a groundswell of support from Catholics and others who realize that it is past the time to listen passively to the bishops rant and rave about religious freedom while running roughshod over other people's rights. It is tricky business in the increasingly lay-led Church to put too much emphasis on any one group, especially the nuns on whom some people mistakenly confer a quasi-clerical status (nuns are consecrated to religious life, but are not clergy). But in this instance, the bus adventure captured many imaginations and functioned to demonstrate how the free exercise of religion can achieve many good ends for those who will bear the cost.

A final important dimension of this improbable adventure was the outpouring of interfaith (and non-faith) respect and solidarity. All across the country, people who responded to the nuns on the bus came from a variety of traditions and no faith whatsoever. They seem to be attracted to the women's gumption to lace up their sensible shoes and get to the work of social change while caring for people in the process.

Some holler, while others work. Which one gets the job done most effectively? The Catholic church should listen to the females of their faith.

[NeedKarma]

When I interned at Catholic Charities for six months, it was considered a social services agency and thus a business. Social workers and counselors were paid employees with benefits including health insurance. There was a management hierarchy. I am guessing that is still the case.

Thanks for the info. Was the insurance company a separate company not affiliated with CC?

[speechlesstx]

Most charities work by donations and volunteerism. Once it becomes a revenue-generating business it has to abide by business rules.

Non-profit organizations have employees, too. And they don't work for free. Churches have employees, janitors, office personnel, maintenance guys - it's quite normal for the pastor to a be church employees.

You don't have to be a revenue-generating business to be an employer, and being an employer doesn't negate your first amendment rights.

[speechlesstx]

When I interned at Catholic Charities for six months, it was considered a social services agency and thus a business. Social workers and counselors were paid employees with benefits including health insurance. There was a management hierarchy. I am guessing that is still the case.

Like NK you omit the "non-profit" status which makes all the difference.

[speechlesstx]

Some holler, while others work. Which one gets the job done most effectively? The Catholic church should listen to the females of their faith.

Do you really want to go there again?

World Vision

And by the way, they're too busy working to help others to have time to draw attention to themselves with a bus tour.

[excon]

you omit the "non-profit" status which makes all the difference.

Hello again, Steve:

It makes NO difference whatsoever to the female employee who's ENTITLED to be treated equally with her male counterparts.. The church can't discriminate against women. It just can't...

excon

[Wondergirl]

Thanks for the info. Was the insurance company a separate company not affiliated with CC?

Unfortunately I wasn't a paid employee, so don't know the answer to that. I do know many of the employees were not Catholic and were young employed marrieds without children.

[talaniman]

And by the way, they're too busy working to help others to have time to draw attention to themselves with a bus tour.

You are right, they should just go home and do as they are told. The hierarchy knows best, how dare they act as the spirit moves them to do.

[speechlesstx]

I think there are two different issues at work here.

However, as far as the Ad in question is concerned I am of the opinion that it is unacceptable. This is regardless of whoever is prepared to accept responsibility.

Tut

Not really, the issue seems to be deception. You said my quotes were misleading even though I was merely pointing what I believe to an influence that led to the Obama we have today (and don't forget we only have six lines available for a signature). I say misleading is that ad.

[speechlesstx]

You are right, they should just go home and do as they are told. The hierarchy knows best, how dare they act as the spirit moves them to do.

I don't care what the nuns do, that's between them, God and the church they agreed to serve. If they want to drive around on a bus drawing attention to themselves so they can have a "rock star" welcome in DC that's their business. The rest of us will go quietly about helping others.

[excon]

I say misleading is that ad.

Hello again, Steve:

Look. We ALL know that Romney causes cancer. But, if they LIVED in Massachusetts, they'd be alive... Is it the water up there?

excon

[speechlesstx]

I'm wondering what's in the water up your way.

[talaniman]

If the NUNS aren't listening to you guys, why should we?

[speechlesstx]

If the NUNS aren't listening to you guys, why should we?

I don't recall telling the nuns anything.

[TUT317]

Not really, the issue seems to be deception. You said my quotes were misleading even though I was merely pointing what I believe to an influence that led to the Obama we have today (and don't forget we only have six lines available for a signature). I say misleading is that ad.

I believe a lot of things myself. The only problems is trying to prove these things.

If we take a particular stance on an issue and this issue is up for public scrutiny then it is not unreasonable for the scrutineers to want evidence.


Tut

[speechlesstx]

I believe a lot of things myself. The only problems is trying to prove these things.

If we take a particular stance on an issue and this issue is up for public scrutiny then it is not unreasonable for the scrutineers to want evidence.


Tut

Perfectly reasonable, but I can't make the entire connection in six lines.