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tomder55 · Jul 29, 2012, 09:42 AM

I have to agree with Ebert. I thought the tribute to the National Health Care with hundreds of children in beds having terrible nightmares was hilarious.
Then they made it a point to note that the audience in attendance could get a wiff of industrial pollution coming out of the smoke stacks.

Wondergirl · Jul 29, 2012, 09:43 AM

Originally Posted by tomder55

I have to agree with Ebert. I thought the tribute to the National Health Care with hundreds of children in beds having terrible nightmares was hilarious.

And tying that in with "Mary Poppins"...

tomder55 · Jul 29, 2012, 09:51 AM

And tying that in with "Mary Poppins"...

representing the 'nanny state ' ?

tomder55 · Jul 29, 2012, 12:38 PM

Originally Posted by excon

Hello again, tom:

Point or not, it's NOT diplomatic to criticize a country you're about to visit...

To ME, it's more important to see how Romney operates on the world stage. So far, he's failed, and he didn't bow to anybody either.

excon

" We knew we weren't prepared for this but we don't appreciate an upstart colonist bringing up the point!"

Wondergirl · Jul 29, 2012, 12:54 PM

Originally Posted by tomder55

" We knew we weren't prepared for this but we don't appreciate an upstart colonist bringing up the point!"

I will complain about my mother all I want, but don't you dare say one word against her!

excon · Jul 30, 2012, 08:55 AM

Hello again,

Romney Praises Israel's Universal Health Care System, Which Includes Individual Mandate..

"If I'm President of the United States, we're going to get rid of Obamacare and return, under our constitution, the 10th Amendment, the responsibility and care of health care to the people in the states,” Romney said during a GOP presidential debate.

But during his trip to Israel, Romney inadvertently praised the individual requirement and universal health care. “For an American abroad, you can't get much closer to the ideals and convictions of my own country than you do in Israel,” he said. And according to The New York Times, Romney spoke favorably about the fact that health care makes up a much smaller amount of Israel's gross domestic product compared to the United States:

“Do you realize what health care spending is as a percentage of the G.D.P. in Israel? Eight percent,” he said. “You spend eight percent of G.D.P. on health care. You're a pretty healthy nation. We spend 18 percent of our G.D.P. on health care, 10 percentage points more. That gap, that 10 percent cost, compare that with the size of our military — our military which is 4 percent, 4 percent. Our gap with Israel is 10 points of G.D.P. We have to find ways — not just to provide health care to more people, but to find ways to fund and manage our health care costs.”

I wonder how THAT'S going to play..

Excon

NeedKarma · Jul 30, 2012, 08:57 AM

Originally Posted by excon

Hello again,

Romney Praises Israel’s Universal Health Care System, Which Includes Individual Mandate..

"If I’m President of the United States, we’re gonna get rid of Obamacare and return, under our constitution, the 10th Amendment, the responsibility and care of health care to the people in the states,” Romney said during a GOP presidential debate.

But during his trip to Israel, Romney inadvertently praised the individual requirement and universal health care. “For an American abroad, you can’t get much closer to the ideals and convictions of my own country than you do in Israel,” he said. And according to The New York Times, Romney spoke favorably about the fact that health care makes up a much smaller amount of Israel’s gross domestic product compared to the United States:

I wonder how THAT'S gonna play..

excon

This needs its own thread.

speechlesstx · Jul 30, 2012, 09:04 AM

Originally Posted by excon

Hello again,

Romney Praises Israel’s Universal Health Care System, Which Includes Individual Mandate..

"If I’m President of the United States, we’re gonna get rid of Obamacare and return, under our constitution, the 10th Amendment, the responsibility and care of health care to the people in the states,” Romney said during a GOP presidential debate.

But during his trip to Israel, Romney inadvertently praised the individual requirement and universal health care. “For an American abroad, you can’t get much closer to the ideals and convictions of my own country than you do in Israel,” he said. And according to The New York Times, Romney spoke favorably about the fact that health care makes up a much smaller amount of Israel’s gross domestic product compared to the United States:

I wonder how THAT'S gonna play..

excon

Are you under the impression that we don't also believe health care is too expensive? No, we just have different ideas of how to fix that. You think government is the solution and I think government is the problem.

NeedKarma · Jul 30, 2012, 09:06 AM

Originally Posted by speechlesstx

You think government is the solution and I think government is the problem.

Mittens thinks government is the solution too. You stand alone. :-)

excon · Jul 30, 2012, 09:24 AM

Originally Posted by speechlesstx

Are you under the impression that we don't also believe health care is too expensive? No, we just have different ideas of how to fix that.

Hello again, Steve:

I'm under TWO impressions.

IF you actually believe it's too expensive, your party COULD have offered its ideas back BEFORE the ACA. But, they didn't. I think it's because there WERE none...

The second impression I'm under is that your cure is to offer vouchers to people and send them on their way... That's not going to FIX anything.

excon

tomder55 · Jul 30, 2012, 09:27 AM

I wonder if the Israelis take in anyone and everyone from neighboring states ,and let them use the system for free. I wonder if the Israelis have free universal contraception and abortion. I wonder what part of the Israeli population live permanently on the dole ;or pay no income tax .
Yeah ,if I believed that a US centralized system would effectively run a health care system at 8% GDP I may sign up too. But we all know it can't... not even close.

NeedKarma · Jul 30, 2012, 09:42 AM

Originally Posted by tomder55

I wonder if the Israelis take in anyone and everyone from neighboring states ,and let them use the system for free. I wonder if the Israelis have free universal contraception and abortion. I wonder what part of the Israeli population live permanently on the dole ;or pay no income tax .
Yeah ,if I believed that a US centralized system would effectively run a health care system at 8% GDP I may sign up too. But we all know it can't ....not even close.

I guess you know more than your presidential hopeful. That doesn't bode well for him.

speechlesstx · Jul 30, 2012, 09:54 AM

Originally Posted by NeedKarma

Mittens thinks government is the solution too. You stand alone. :-)

At least I don't stand alone in my own reality.

speechlesstx · Jul 30, 2012, 10:01 AM

Originally Posted by excon

Hello again, Steve:

I'm under TWO impressions.

IF you actually believe it's too expensive, your party COULD have offered its ideas back BEFORE the ACA. But, they didn't. I think it's because there WERE none...

The second impression I'm under is that your cure is to offer vouchers to people and send them on their way... That's not gonna FIX anything.

excon

OK ex, you tell me what Republican bills have been given consideration by Democrats since Obama basically told Republicans to suck rocks in January '09.

NeedKarma · Jul 30, 2012, 10:42 AM

talaniman · Jul 30, 2012, 11:56 AM

Mitt isn't the solution, he's the problem. Its embarrassing for the rest of the world to see we let the loonies out!

Polish Solidarity distances itself from Romney visit | Reuters

speechlesstx · Jul 30, 2012, 11:59 AM

"Regretfully, we were informed by our friends from the American headquarters of (trade union federation) AFL-CIO, which represents more than 12 million employees ... that Mitt Romney supported attacks on trade unions and employees' rights," Solidarity said in a statement."

I am shocked, SHOCKED that the AFL-CIO would try and make Romney look bad.

talaniman · Jul 30, 2012, 12:25 PM

It doesn't take much for Romney to look bad because all you have to do is give Solidarity the YouTube links and they can see for themselves what he says in his own words.

speechlesstx · Jul 30, 2012, 01:25 PM

"Solidarity is still known abroad because of its historic role in the collapse of Communism and the fall of the Berlin Wall. At home, it is now closely linked with Poland's biggest opposition party, which promotes conservative social values."

Sounds like they and Mitt are a nice match.

tomder55 · Jul 30, 2012, 02:17 PM

A Nobel Endorsement by former Polish President - 06:30 p.m. CET (11:30 a.m. EST) - Lech Walesa, the Nobel Prize winner and former Polish president, “has effectively endorsed Romney.”

“I wish you to be successful because this success is needed to the United States, of course, but to Europe and the rest of the world, too. Gov Romney, get your success – be successful,” Walesa told Romney, according to a translator.