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    Jul 26, 2012, 09:25 PM
    Vacation
    Can I travel with my children on vacation while on probation to another state?
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    Jul 26, 2012, 09:48 PM
    That's really up to your probation officer. Are you on supervised probation?
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    Jul 26, 2012, 10:02 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by ali18ninja View Post
    That's really up to your probation officer. Are you on supervised probation?
    every month I report to probation.
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    Jul 26, 2012, 11:19 PM
    Do you have to request a travel permit from your probation officer? If you do, it would be wise to tell him your kids will be going. You're not forbidden from having any contact with minors including your children are you? I don't see why your probation officer would have any problem with you taking your kids along. I go with my family all the time.
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    Jul 27, 2012, 07:30 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by ali18ninja View Post
    Do you have to request a travel permit from your probation officer? If you do, it would be wise to tell him your kids will be going. You're not forbidden from having any contact with minors including your children are you? I don't see why your probation officer would have any problem with you taking your kids along. I go with my family all the time.

    Why does the PO have to know the kids are going?

    If the OP has permission from the PO and the other parent - no problem.
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    Jul 27, 2012, 03:32 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by JudyKayTee View Post
    Why does the PO have to know the kids are going?

    If the OP has permission from the PO and the other parent - no problem.
    If the charges involved children, then the PO might have to know. I have a client who is on probation for criminal sexual contact of a minor third degree and has court orders not to have any contact with minors under the age of 18, including family. He has to have permission to see his kids or take them anywhere. He must also ask for a travel permit to leave the county as well as permission from his PO in writing that his kids are allowed to travel with him.
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    Jul 27, 2012, 03:38 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by ali18ninja View Post
    If the charges involved children, then the PO might have to know. I have a client who is on probation for criminal sexual contact of a minor third degree and has court orders not to have any contact with minors under the age of 18, including family. He has to have permission to see his kids or take them anywhere. He must also ask for a travel permit to leave the county as well as permission from his PO in writing that his kids are allowed to travel with him.

    Just so I have this right and you know this to be a fact -

    Someone has a conviction for criminal sexual contact of a minor third degree. That, of course, is not intercourse with a minor and is (where I live) criminal touching of someone under 13. I am reading that this automatically puts a person on the sex abuser registry.

    He is a convicted sex offender (I don't know what level), and there is a Court Order that he cannot have contact with minors under 18 (obviously a State where the age of majority is 18) and that includes member of his family. I've never seen it written that way, I've always seen it to be ANYONE under the age of majority but... when he wants to see his kids, in violation of the Court Order, his PO (probably actually the Judge, the PO just makes the recommendation) gives him permission to do so AND when he wants to take his kids on vacation he has to also get permission for that from his PO, also in violation of the Court Order.

    So - even though he is Court ordered not to have contact with minors, including members of his family, his PO (or the Judge) grant him permission to see his children and vacation with them.

    Where is this?
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    Jul 27, 2012, 03:53 PM
    Yes I know this to be fact. You are right about the charges. They are the same here. I apologize because I forgot that he was placed on conditional discharge for 6 years and a probation period of 5 years. Early discharge from probation in 3 years. He isn't on the registry because of the conditional discharge but he does have to do sex offender probation. He has an ankle monitor with certain conditions like: Cannot go to playgrounds, schools, daycare centers, and certain other things that I cannot remember at the moment. He doesn't have to register though. And this is NM by the way. Age of consent here is 16 but yes he cannot associate with anyone under 18 years of age. His court order forbids him from not only his own kids, but relatives that are under 18 WITHOUT prior permission from PO. He has shown me court documents and a notice that I had to sign that I knew he was on probation and should avoid running around or near parks, schools, daycare centers, etc.
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    Jul 27, 2012, 04:24 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by ali18ninja View Post
    Yes I know this to be fact. You are right about the charges. They are the same here. I apologize because I forgot that he was placed on conditional discharge for 6 years and a probation period of 5 years. Early discharge from probation in 3 years. He isn't on the registry because of the conditional discharge but he does have to do sex offender probation. He has an ankle monitor with certain conditions like: Cannot go to playgrounds, schools, daycare centers, and certain other things that I cannot remember at the moment. He doesn't have to register though. And this is NM by the way. Age of consent here is 16 but yes he cannot associate with anyone under 18 years of age. His court order forbids him from not only his own kids, but relatives that are under 18 WITHOUT prior permission from PO. He has shown me court documents and a notice that I had to sign that I knew he was on probation and should avoid running around or near parks, schools, daycare centers, etc.

    I am shocked - an adult who touched someone under 13 inappropriately and sexually got a conditional discharge, is on probation, didn't have to register BUT wears an ankle bracelet and cannot see his own kids and relatives under 18 without prior permission from his PO, which is apparently granted.

    I can't find the law - I'm sure someone else can.
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    Jul 27, 2012, 04:30 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by JudyKayTee View Post
    I am shocked - an adult who touched someone under 13 inappropriately and sexually got a conditional discharge, is on probation, didn't have to register BUT wears an ankle bracelet and cannot see his own kids and relatives under 18 without prior permission from his PO, which is apparently granted.

    I can't find the law - I'm sure someone else can.
    I don't want to give out his name because he is my client but yes this was a little tough for me to grasp.
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    Jul 27, 2012, 05:48 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by ali18ninja View Post
    I don't want to give out his name because he is my client but yes this was a little tough for me to grasp.

    No, no, I wouldn't want his name. I'm just curious about the law, particularly because he can travel with children. The argument is that a sex offender with children has access to other children... and so forth.
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    Jul 28, 2012, 07:16 AM
    My charges have absolutely nothing to do with my children. But I want to take them on roadtrip to couple of places on vacation. Might PO offiicer give a hard time?
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    Jul 28, 2012, 07:26 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by walla10 View Post
    My charges have absolutely nothing to do with my children. But I want to take them on roadtrip to couple of places on vacation. Might PO offiicer give a hard time?

    No way to know without asking -

    Sorry this went out of control -
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    Jul 28, 2012, 07:45 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by walla10 View Post
    Might PO offiicer give a hard time?
    Hello w:

    He shouldn't... That doesn't mean he won't.. Make your request. If he DOES, get back with us.

    excon
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    Jul 30, 2012, 07:31 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by ali18ninja View Post
    If the charges involved children, then the PO might have to know. I have a client who is on probation for criminal sexual contact of a minor third degree and has court orders not to have any contact with minors under the age of 18, including family. He has to have permission to see his kids or take them anywhere. He must also ask for a travel permit to leave the county as well as permission from his PO in writing that his kids are allowed to travel with him.

    I didn't catch this - someone else did. Can't believe I missed it BUT - is the person with the criminal sexual contact 3rd degree you? It appears it is! Can't believe both you AND your client have the same issue - ?

    https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/crimin...-447619-2.html

    You either lost your career in the National Guard over your arrest OR you served and are now a recruiter. I'm confused. https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/fitnes...ml#post3211215

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