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[speechlesstx]

Dear lord!!!!! Or as my Tar Heel friends used to say, "Lawsy days!!!"

That didn't speak to the question. Which part of Obama's speech did not point to government?

I find it quite telling actually that the people who keep arguing for government intervention, Obamacare, expanding the welfare net, etc. are coming to his defense to deny he's preaching the very thing they love him for. Everything Obama does is to rationalize and enact government solutions. Again, which part of his speech did not point to government as our cosponsor?

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Spamming the board... nice.

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I have more if that's what we're doing here now.

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I find it quite telling actually that the people who keep arguing for government intervention, Obamacare, expanding the welfare net, etc. are coming to his defense to deny he's preaching the very thing they love him for.

Who here has actively asked for government intervention and who here has mentioned that they love Obama for government intervention?

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So no one exists outside of AMHD? Wow, you live in a small world.

P.S. you are the only one actively spamming the thread.

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Hello again,

I don't have a cartoon. Just a statement from Thomas Paine.. You know, one of the founders.. What do YOU think he means?

Personal property is the effect of society; and it is as impossible for an individual to acquire personal property without the aid of society, as it is for him to make land originally.

Separate an individual from society, and give him an island or a continent to possess, and he cannot acquire personal property. He cannot be rich. So inseparably are the means connected with the end, in all cases, that where the former do not exist the latter cannot be obtained. All accumulation, therefore, of personal property, beyond what a man's own hands produce, is derived to him by living in society; and he owes on every principle of justice, of gratitude, and of civilization, a part of that accumulation back again to society whence the whole came."

-Agrarian Justice Part Three

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[cdad]

Hello again,

I don't have a cartoon. Just a statement from Thomas Paine.. You know, one of the founders.. What do YOU think he means?



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It means he (ones self) is obligated to the many to participate in the process of the civilization that they live in. As in the statement united we stand divided we fall.

Being ex military surely you understand that by working as one you can get the project done but going off by yourself mainly gets you killed.

[tomder55]

Actually Paine opposed the Constitution vehemently . Not sure what Paine meant by his comment ;but I understand completely what the President was gettting at... The state protects business interests so taxpayers have a partial claim on the wealth produced.

If you see my discussion about rent-seekers with Tut you see that some big businesses do not merely benefit from state intervention, but would sink without it. The corporations you and the President like to slam are very dependent on government ,and that dependence has only increased as government has grown. They are in fact state approved cartels .

When the President says "Somebody else made that happen," he means that big business could not have created the corporate state on their own. Liberal policies made it happen.

The President was speaking to the small business owner however ;and they just as soon government get out of the way.

[talaniman]

The President was speaking to the small business owner however ;and they just as soon government get out of the way.

Except when the government loans them money, or gives out grants that banks won't or don't. I mean every small business owner in the Romney ads has taken money from the government. Heck even that whack job Bachman is on the dole while she cries about it.

he owes on every principle of justice, of gratitude, and of civilization, a part of that accumulation back again to society whence the whole came."

Pass the peas, and leave enough for the next guy.

[tomder55]

Paine spent the 1790s in France and was a big fan of the French revolution (at least until he got on the wrong side of Robespierre).. His 'Rights of Man ' was written to defend the excesses of the revolution there. So his egalitarian leanings are on display in the quote. He was not a fan of Edmund Burke .
When Robespierre's faction took control ,Paine was arrested and came close to a date with the guillotine .
He returned to America as a man discreditted .He had burned too many bridges . When he died ,only a handful of people attended his funeral.

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“He didn't invent iron ore and blast furnaces, did he?”

“Who?”

“Rearden. He didn't invent smelting and chemistry and air compression. He couldn't have invented his Metal but for thousands and thousands of other people. His Metal! Why does he think it's his? Why does he think it's his invention? Everybody uses the work of everybody else. Nobody ever invents anything.”

She said, puzzled, “But the iron ore and all those other things were there all the time. Why didn't anybody else make that Metal, but Mr. Rearden did?”

Ayn Rand 'Atlas Shrugged ' .
She predicted this conversation would take place back in 1957 .

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Ayn Rand 'Atlas Shrugged ' .
She predicted this conversation would take place back in 1957 .

yes, millions upon millions of fiction books have been written, eventually one may have text with relevance to a situation in the future.

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yes, millions upon millions of fiction books have been written,

Hello again, NK:

Careful, dude... You're talking about the right wing god creature, here.

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yes, millions upon millions of fiction books have been written, eventually one may have text with relevance to a situation in the future.

Kind of like the big bang theory, eventually all that nothingness will randomly turn into a sentient being.

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Kind of like the big bang theory, eventually all that nothingness will randomly turn into a sentient being.

Ok.