[paraclete]

Don't paint everyone with the failings of Obama, remember it is what he is that got him the job

[speechlesstx]

don't paint everyone with the failings of Obama, remember it is what he is that got him the job

Black? Narcissist? Experienced? Qualified? What?

[talaniman]

I never called him unpatriotic either, I said he was narcissistic. This image was "OUTRAGEOUS and self serving," and another example of how lefties view themselves.

There you go, calling names again to fit your own views as being better than ours and justify your... DISLIKE!

Originally Posted by paraclete
Don't paint everyone with the failings of Obama, remember it is what he is that got him the job

He is no different than any other who has held the job, but he has made the loonies come out of the closet, and the easily outraged to look for anything they can pick at. I have found that the right is so much more right that they see Obamas RIGHT wing ideas as LEFT, but those on the left scratch their heads in disbelief because he is NO leftie.

So let me correct you Clete since our politics escapes you, it was WHO he is that got him the job, NOT what! There are subtle differences in your assertions that you have missed entirely.

[speechlesstx]

There you go, calling names again to fit your own views as better than ours and justify your ...........................................DISLIKE !

Narcissistic is an adjective, not a name.

[talaniman]

It goes to character, not policy. And its your opinion, of which I don't agree with, as I prefer to argue policy and facts rather than explore the emotions evoked by a picture someone else has produced. It was quite artistic to me.

Just my opinion. And right now I am trying to keep Tom from burying me in the basement, so excuse my being... DISTURBED!!

[speechlesstx]

It goes to character, not policy. And its your opinion, of which I don't agree with, as I prefer to argue policy and facts rather than explore the emotions evoked by a picture someone else has produced. It was quite artistic to me.

Just my opinion. And right now I am trying to keep Tom from burying me in the basement, so excuse my being...............................DISTURBED!!!!

Character matters. So does policy, and he doesn't seem too anxious to run on his failed policies. In fact his campaign theme has changed again to "do-over."

P.S. Am I the only one capable of beating the un-managed team? Maybe when he runs out of pitching starts you'll catch up to him.

[paraclete]

Black? Narcissist? Experienced? Qualified? What?

All of the above but you left out orator, he has the ability to speak well in contrast to his predecessor, he isn't coming out of the back woods

[cdad]

all of the above but you left out orator, he has the ability to speak well in contrast to his predecessor, he isn't coming out of the back woods

He doesn't exactly speak well at least not without a teleprompter. And he has made some pretty big mistakes. Wasn't Poland one of them just last week on his misquote ?

[paraclete]

Yes misquote as distinct from not being able to put two words together coherently. I doubt all his speeches are off a teleprompter otherwise there is no excuse for getting it wrong, fire the speechwriter. He would look much better if he had had some of his policies accepted, being a lame duck can't be fun

[talaniman]

You mean like build/repair bridges roads and schools? The bridges and roads that corporations use for commerce? Paid for by taxes of 01% of incomes over a million dollars? How many jobs created? He tried that, and the right poo-pooed. The ones in congress any way. The rest of the nation was for it. Even the conservatives.

Obama says 'Pass this jobs bill.' But what's actually in the bill? - CSMonitor.com

Wait until the truth comes out about all those scary regulations that corporations are fighting against.

Obama tightens oil and gas drilling regulations - Apr. 18, 2012

So forget the crap the politicians are talking about, all the facts are on line. Its science, not politics. But of course some don't think corporations or banks should be regulated, and when they screw up, poor people and the middle class suffer.

Why are we suffering with this high unemployment while banks, corporations, wall street are making more money than they ever have in history. Its like nobody even reads the rights budget proposal The Ryan plan, endorsed by Romney), yet they slobber all over it, yet it really enslaves our children and grand children, all except the ones who benefit from our labors.

Additional Reforms | A Roadmap for America's Future | The Budget Committee Republicans

Believe In America: Mitt Romney's Plan For Jobs And Economic Growth

Cause, and Effect.

[paraclete]

Look the answer to high corporate profits is higher tax if they can make the money then let them contribute to the debt and repairing roads and bridges is only common sense but what will give the economy a boost is inceasing confidence and that comes when the population knows they have a government that can get things done even in the face of opposition, right now you have stalemate or is that stallmate so the recovery stalls. There is a lot of self defeating prophesy around today and it could be solved by letting a government do what it is elected to do, otherwise why not align the terms of the politicians so you get out of this nightmare of do nothing and they all sink or swim together

[tomder55]

Your corporate tax rate is lower than the US . The truth is that we have one of the top corporate rates in the developed world.

[NeedKarma]

Your corporate tax rate is lower than the US . The truth is that we have one of the top corporate rates in the developed world.

That's a myth perpetrated by the right: Warren Buffett: 'It Is A Myth' That U.S. Corporate Taxes Are High | ThinkProgress

The American High Corporate Taxes Myth - Marc Erickson - Open Salon

[paraclete]

Your corporate tax rate is lower than the US . The truth is that we have one of the top corporate rates in the developed world.

Rubbish the prima face rate isn't what it is about, your net corporate tax is very low
In fact your corporations pay less than half ours and the mining tax will impact the big corporations from July 1 Don't peddle your republican myths here Tom, we have the ability to catch you out. We also give the lie for the need for a low taxing regime for corporations to prosper

[tomder55]

Then you will continue to lose out to your nearest competitors like Hong Kong ,Singapore ,and even Malaysia... forget about the larger global market. But then again ,you are content to be the mining pit of China. Maybe they will be willing to invest capital when they are taxed 35% .

[speechlesstx]

Yes misquote as distinct from not being able to put two words together coherently. I doubt all his speeches are off a teleprompter otherwise there is no excuse for getting it wrong, fire the speechwriter. He would look much better if he had had some of his policies accepted, being a lame duck can't be fun

Yes, Mr. "corpseman" who visited 57 states on his way to the "Polish death camps" is a great orator.

[talaniman]

Corporate taxes here are local, and there are so many loop holes in the federal tax code, corporations pay almost nothing, Supply side economic models are always subject to seasonal booms, and busts, and while corporations have flexibility to cutback, lay off, and slowdown, have devastating effects on people, and communities that are dependent on those who need that living wage.

History tells us that government must be as effective, and flexible as the times and conditions indicate, to adjust to these changes. We cannot have idealogical BS that gums up the works for extended periods. Especially one that renders all branches of government helpless to address the issues before it.

The day Obama was sworn in, Republicans had already vowed to obstruct him at all costs, even at the expense and welfare of the country, the economy, and the common man, while they spew the gloom and doom, and fear, and distract us from the robbery they perpetrate over the middle class, for their plutocratic masters. No matter what this President does they pounce like hyenas and run to the cameras to decry and lay blame for his efforts, no matter how the rest of the country says it's a good idea.

Remember how they said that rising gas prices were his fault? As they come down has anyone said "good job"? When Bin Laden was killed Cheney and Rumsfeld took credit, though they abandoned the search years ago. Romney after hollering let them go bankrupt has stepped up to say the President did what he would have done, and wants credit for the auto industry coming back.

When the dismal jobs numbers came in, the republicans wanted us to know how failed the policies were of the President, while they have stifled and filibustered all his policies. They lie about the money spent, they lie about the deficit, they lie about, there own motives and play the politics of obstruction, while they starve the common man of the true motives behind their actions.

Get the democrats out of the way, so they can make the rich richer, the poor poorer, and continue the Bush policies to extract the wealth from the rest of the world. (the much sought after New World Order)

The business model has already undermined and weakened the government of the people, and made it a tool of the rich, who need the right wing votes to succeed and under guise of their interpretation of the constitution, want to dictate how you live, who you live with, who is an American, who is NOT, and who is allowed to vote, who doesn't, who is a FIRST class citizen, who is NOT. Who works, who doesn't. With the help of low informed ideologues, stuck in their own kitchens, republicans have effectively stopped the circulation of the life blood of America, HARD WORK, and FREEDOM to pursue our own happiness, and accept terms tantamount to slavery, and domination of an elite ruling class.

The business model is broken, misguided, used and abused, and blamed on those lazy a$$es that wash dishes, and need a bath. While the ones that benefit from weak government and broken business models, get fat and happy. They suffer nothing, nor do their children, but yours, ours, suffer greatly.

That's why Mitt wants to be President, to make sure his kids can stay in the ruling class, and have a country of slaves to rule over, and have the whips they need to herd them into submission, and mindless compliance. That's his version of the American Dream... and the nightmare of the dwindling middle class.

[tomder55]

History tells us that government must be as effective, and flexible as the times and conditions indicate, to adjust to these changes. We cannot have idealogical BS that gums up the works for extended periods. Especially one that renders all branches of government helpless to address the issues before it

Yeah 100 years of progressive folly is enough.

The day Obama was sworn in, Republicans had already vowed to obstruct him at all costs, even at the expense and welfare of the country, the economy, and the common man, while they spew the gloom and doom, and fear, and distract us from the robbery they perpetrate over the middle class, for their plutocratic masters. No matter what this President does they pounce like hyenas and run to the cameras to decry and lay blame for his efforts, no matter how the rest of the country says it's a good idea.

I recall the Bush years very well. His only reprieve from the left undermining his Presidency was 9-11 ;and when he reached out to essentially introduce new domestic spending like NCLB and the Medicare Part D.

Remember how they said that rising gas prices were his fault? As they come down has anyone said "good job"?

I remember him saying that the President can't influence gas prices . (untrue ). Why should we give him credit for it dropping ? What did he do besides sabotage the economy driving down demand?

When Bin Laden was killed Cheney and Rumsfeld took credit, though they abandoned the search years ago.

Untrue . What the left refuses to accept is that the pursuit of OBL did not end . All the President did was reluctantly pull the trigger after years of intel work came to fruitition. Besides ;I did give him credit for his part.
But have you notices how the major dinosaurs are upset with him about his LBJ like micromanagement of drone targeting ?

Romney after hollering let them go bankrupt has stepped up to say the President did what he would have done, and wants credit for the auto industry coming back.

Romney is a fool for backing down on this. The right move was a managed bankruptcy . The American people are the big losers for the GM bailout . Obama has permanently destroyed the rule of law regarding bankruptcy law .

Get the democrats out of the way, so they can make the rich richer, the poor poorer, and continue the Bush policies to extract the wealth from the rest of the world. (the much sought after New World Order)

The business model has already undermined and weakened the government of the people, and made it a tool of the rich, who need the right wing votes to succeed and under guise of their interpretation of the constitution, want to dictate how you live, who you live with, who is an American, who is NOT, and who is allowed to vote, who doesn't, who is a FIRST class citizen, who is NOT. Who works, who doesn't. With the help of low informed ideologues, stuck in their own kitchens, republicans have effectively stopped the circulation of the life blood of America, HARD WORK, and FREEDOM to pursue our own happiness, and accept terms tantamount to slavery, and domination of an elite ruling class.

The business model is broken, misguided, used and abused, and blamed on those lazy a$$es that wash dishes, and need a bath. While the ones that benefit from weak government and broken business models, get fat and happy. They suffer nothing, nor do their children, but yours, ours, suffer greatly.

That's why Mitt wants to be President, to make sure his kids can stay in the ruling class, and have a country of slaves to rule over, and have the whips they need to herd them into submission, and mindless compliance. That's his version of the American Dream... and the nightmare of the dwindling middle class.

Polishing that tin oil hat again ? If the business model is broken (which it is not ) then the blame goes to progressive policies over the years that fundamentally changed American business to a similar model of the state socialist model. It is years of abusing the Constitution's Commerce Clause that has brought us to this point .
You need to read 'How Progressives Rewrote the Constitution' by Professor Richard Epstein .It is their warped reading of the Constitution that created government approved cartels and businesses too big to fail .

[paraclete]

Then you will continue to lose out to your nearest competitors like Hong Kong ,Singapore ,and even Malaysia ....forget about the larger global market. But then again ,you are content to be the mining pit of China. Maybe they will be willing to invest capital when they are taxed 35% .

You just can't help yourself can you? You get the bull by the tail and get covered in B/S and you feel you must spread it around. They don't have to invest Tom we have corporations and individuals with sufficient resources and willingness to develop the mines. They are lining up to invest Tom because they understand the importance of stable government that can do what it says it is going to do, and while our investment rules upset them a little they keep coming. I was't aware that Hong Kong Malayasia and Singapore had the ability to compete with us in agriculture and mining, they don't scare us Tom

[TUT317]

You need to read 'How Progressives Rewrote the Constitution' by Professor Richard Epstein

Tom, this is just another take on Original Intent. A exposition on how 'Progressives' have moved the Constitution away from the Locke/Madison understanding into something completely different

In other words, the changing of the Constitution into something that reflects the wisdom of the intellectuals of today, rather than reflecting the wisdom of intellectuals of the Classical Period.

Epstein is choosing a starting point for his Originalism. In his case it seems to be somewhere between Locke and Madison. I have asked these questions before. Why choose Locke/Madison? Why not choose the actual ratification process as a starting point? Why not, as I do and choose the very beginning ( Natural Laws). We can choose any point we like.

As I said before, the reason anyone chooses a starting point is because it reflects their political beliefs. It has very little to do with substance and everything to do with ideology.