Ask Experts Questions for FREE Help !
Ask
    2612cmr's Avatar
    2612cmr Posts: 2, Reputation: 1
    New Member
     
    #1

    May 5, 2012, 02:21 PM
    When PT loans are repaid to my 401K plan, is the interest considered basis?
    Following an audit of my 401k plan, the IRS requires me to repay several Prohibited Transaction Loans, along with accrued unpaid interest. Once these loans and interest are repaid, does the interest constitute basis in my account? I assume the principle (the original amount of the distribution) would be since I also have to take those distributions into income for the years theyt occurred and pay income tax on them.

    Thanks,
    2612cmr
    2612cmr's Avatar
    2612cmr Posts: 2, Reputation: 1
    New Member
     
    #2

    May 5, 2012, 03:36 PM
    Interest on 401(k) Loans
    Quote Originally Posted by delite View Post
    Generally 401k contributions are not included in taxable income. As such no basis. Interest paid on loan is required by regulation without indicating a factor for basis.
    What about the interest paid when the IRS requires repayment of principle and accrued unpaid interest on Prohibited Transaction loans that are deemed distributions?
    ScottGem's Avatar
    ScottGem Posts: 64,966, Reputation: 6056
    Computer Expert and Renaissance Man
     
    #3

    May 5, 2012, 03:54 PM
    First its not a good idea to piggyback your question on another thread. This can lead to confusion. So I've moved your question to its own thread.

    The interest on a 401(k) loan is income earned by the investment. It is therefore taxable income when distributed. If there is an outstanding balance when employment is terminated, then the balance becomes a distribution subject to taxation as income and penalty.

    {Threads merged}
    AtlantaTaxExpert's Avatar
    AtlantaTaxExpert Posts: 21,836, Reputation: 846
    Senior Tax Expert
     
    #4

    May 5, 2012, 05:23 PM
    Basis is NOT typically an issue with 401K and other tax-deferred accounts, because the distributions are taxed as ordinary uncome, NOT a capital gains.
    ebaines's Avatar
    ebaines Posts: 12,131, Reputation: 1307
    Expert
     
    #5

    May 7, 2012, 10:57 AM
    I think his OP's question is whether any of the repayment of the loan principal or the interest he paid can be considered as "after-tax" money. The answer is no - the repayment of principal simply undoes the tax-free loan that was taken out, and the interest payment is considered earnings by the account. It's an interesting side effect that there is some double taxation of the interest payment - since it's paid by the account owner using his personal after-tax funds and will be taxed again later when he makes withdrawals.
    AtlantaTaxExpert's Avatar
    AtlantaTaxExpert Posts: 21,836, Reputation: 846
    Senior Tax Expert
     
    #6

    May 7, 2012, 11:10 AM
    ebaines:

    You are probably correct. Unfortunately, mind reading is NOT a skill incumbent with tax preparation expertise, so when the client says "basis", I have a bad habit of interpreting basis for being what I have been taught it to be.

Not your question? Ask your question View similar questions

 

Question Tools Search this Question
Search this Question:

Advanced Search

Add your answer here.


Check out some similar questions!

Funeral Expenses from 8 years ago to be repaid. Interest? [ 4 Answers ]

We paid funeral expenses on my husband's uncle in April of 2003. Just was informed by an attorney's office that the estate had $17,000 in it. Our funeral bill was $7272. Should the law firm reimburse us the amount with interest or just the amount?

Does 401K Loan Interest Change Basis? [ 8 Answers ]

Does the loan interest repaid to a 401K increase the basis of the 401K since the interest paid to your account is actually after tax income?

401k loans not repaid [ 4 Answers ]

Hi! My name is Patty and I have a question about 401k loans. I am recently divorced and purchased my first house by myself. In order to do that I had to borrow against my 401k to keep the payments down where I could afford them. I borrowed 50,000 and have a balance now of about 47,000.I fell in...

How to get interest from 401K plan if under 59? [ 3 Answers ]

Is anyone aware of a way to use the interest from a 401K plan for a person Not of retirement age? I currently lost my job, and I was wondering if there is a way to directly get Access to the interest that the 401K plan is earning, or if it possible to Transfer the 401K money to another...


View more questions Search