[tomder55]

Back to this debate ? I thought this was about the canard charge about the Republican war on everything. The reason the Obots trumped up this phony'war on women' stuff is because the President is losing support from his 2008 base almost across the board.
What he sees is that in 2008 he had an overwhelming majority of SINGLE women . But they really didn't show up to vote in the numbers they could've .
What this is ,is the equivant of the Rove 2004 strategery . He knew he couldn't really expand the Bush base ;so he had to do what he could to get maximum turnout from the various constituencies .
The Obama base is a hodgepodge of various special interest groups ,many of them contrived by polling data . He is catering to them and hoping that their interests don't clash too much (like his vulnerability to labor because he chooses fringe environmentalism ) .

As for the mandate that violates the churches rights ,those will be struck down when Obamacare is struck down.

[speechlesstx]

But he's LeBron baby, nothin' but net for Obama.

[TUT317]

I saw nothing about a war on women in that bill. Equal Pay is already covered under federal statute so SB 2020 was unnecessary.

We are in a middle of a debt crisis so we do the only thing we know how to do. Cut away at the safety nets so the minorities can start to fall through.

[talaniman]

Originally Posted by speechlesstx
Nonsense. You guys are smart enough to see the simple fact that the birth control mandate is a new, manufactured "right"

Are you guys smart enough to understand that access to birth control means less abortions?? I guess not, since you rather have a weak government that rather makes poor people have kids, and can't feed or raise them. So they starve and go to jail, stay poor, and then keep the cycle going. Lets be real rich women have abortions every day because they can afford it and don't go to doctors and hospitals poor people do. They can buy insurance, no big deal, but I was in wal mart the other day and even with a discount, this old guy couldn't afford his heart meds, so had to take less than half his prescription, and he has a pill cutter at home (I asked).

That's disgusting, almost as disgusting as being pro life, and don't give a crap about the life 10 minutes after birth. Go ahead, give Romney and his cohorts even more than they have and see what they give you for it.

Real smart right wingers, pay a guy to screw you, and elect a guy who already has, and will again. The genius of such thinking doesn't escape me, but makes me wonder what was so good about slavery that the right volunteers for it? Begs even?

[talaniman]

We are in a middle of a debt crisis so we do the only thing we know how to do. Cut away at the safety nets so the minorities can start to fall through.

Genius!!

[tomder55]

Nah Tut . The law was redundent since the Federal laws cover these type of cases at least as well as the State one did . In fact ;this law went into effect in 2009 ,and there have yet to be a single case filed under the state law . Now why is that ? Could it be that those evil corporate employers in WI. Have a fairer and more equitable way of paying ? Or was it that there was already a means to address any grevience ? Why establish a duplicate state agency when there is already a Federal remedy... that is unless you are trying to pad the payroll of the state with a useless bureaucracy .

[talaniman]

Now you know it takes time to catch a crook breaking the law. The greedy bast@rd know how to cover their butts. Because there are no cases yet doesn't mean there won't be. Or behind the scenes settlements. That's there MO!!

[TUT317]

nah Tut . The law was redundent since the Federal laws cover these type of cases at least as well as the State one did . In fact ;this law went into effect in 2009 ,and there have yet to be a single case filed under the state law . Now why is that ? Could it be that those evil corporate employers in WI. have a fairer and more equitable way of paying ? Or was it that there was already a means to address any grevience ? Why establish a duplicate state agency when there is already a Federal remedy ...that is unless you are trying to pad the payroll of the state with a useless bureaucracy .

Hi Tom,

Make enough small cuts and eventually the net will be worthless.

Walker is the handmaiden of big business. The only thing big business knows is specialized types of information. If it is measurable then it is valuable. Equity and fairness are not part of the dialect because they are difficult measure and therefore of no value. Fairness is not subject to the same type of rational analysis.

The market place, or should I say global market place favours managerial elites. These elites are the ones who prosper during a economic crisis. They prosper because they reflect the absolute truth contain within the organizations specialization.

If this represents a modern version of the free market place then it is anti-democratic and anti-equality. It is security that an idealized construct affords the elites.

Tut

[paraclete]

I don't get all this whoha over birth control, the pill has been with us for decades, doctors have been consulted, the pill prescribed. If a church wants to say to its members don't use it it is up to them but as far as health fund benefits go, put up, shut up, pay up and give up

[talaniman]

The churches here want you to pay for inadaquate health services that they dictate for you, but the law won't let them. Our right wing wants us to pay for inadaquate insurance that our bosses dictate to us, but the law won't let them, so the right wing and the churches want to change the law, but the people are not letting them. So we wait and see what the court has to say.

Stay tuned.

[tomder55]

Tut my eyes glaze over when I read code words like equity and fairness. All that really means in the socialist's vocabulary is wealth redistribution and quotas .

[NeedKarma]

Tut my eyes glaze over when I read code words like equity and fairness. All that really means in the socialist's vocabulary is wealth redistribution and quotas .

That's due to your ultra-right-wing indoctrination. Others aren't scared of those words.

[tomder55]

Not indoctrination for sure . I was raised in the public education system of the US as a committed leftist. It took years of deprogramming to get me where I'm at .

[talaniman]

You should see a doctor for that Tom, maybe there is a cure. I mean just curious why socialism scares you guys do much, or are you still living in fear of the Russians, and Chinese?

This is 2012, not 1960! I know, you can dream can't you?

[NeedKarma]

...living in fear of the Russians, and Chinese?

To be fair the Chinese part is legitimate. :-)

[tomder55]

Typical left to think that a political position opposed to theirs is an illness that needs a cure . I'm sure there is a gulag or reeduction camp you can direct me to.

[excon]

I'm sure there is a gulag or reeduction camp you can direct me to.

Hello tom:

Nahhh.. I've got a pill.

excon

[NeedKarma]

As opposed to "code words" that hide a conspiracy or thinking that higher education is a another conspiracy to make people liberals? LOL!

[talaniman]

Originally Posted by tomder55
I'm sure there is a gulag or reeduction camp you can direct me to.

Six Flags Over Texas, that's where we go! Care to join us?

[speechlesstx]

Are you guys smart enough to understand that access to birth control means less abortions???? I guess not,

What I understand is this is a straw man argument. There is no issue with access to birth control, it's a manufactured crisis. Even Ms Fluke admitted she didn't know she could get hers for $9.00 at the local Target, a far cry from the $3000 price tag she put on it.

Which brings me back to the OP. Stop making stuff up.