[tomder55]

Ex you can stop trying to paint me as a racist. Meanwhile you can find the posting where I claimed there was enough evidence or probable cause to arrest. To make it clear again . I think he is guilty of murder ;that the law doesn't protect him... but unless you are willing to make that charge and back it up in court then you'd best not make that arrest . Already I think the case is in jeopardy due to mishandling by the locals .

[DoulaLC]

Hello Doula:

My point wasn't WHO, but WHAT. Banning saggy pants for ANYBODY is racist. That's just so...

excon

Schools have dress codes for both the guys and girls... one being that undergarments are not seen. The girls' jeans are not to be too low as well. Bra straps are not to be seen. Vulgar or profane language or images are not to be worn, etc. Baggy pants had been worn by kids from all backgrounds and by both sexes.

[talaniman]

Ex you can stop trying to paint me as a racist. Meanwhile you can find the posting where I claimed there was enough evidence or probable cause to arrest. To make it clear again . I think he is guilty of murder ;that the law doesn't protect him ...but unless you are willing to make that charge and back it up in court then you'd best not make that arrest . Already I think the case is in jeopardy due to mishandling by the locals .

If I was a cop he would be detained, and his gun confiscated, until we checked and verified his story. And quit being so defensive, my outrage is not directed personally at you! Just at having this issue buried for so long! Like they always are.

Most of you righties are not bad guys, just a tad insensitive.

[tomder55]

I recognize the racial component about this . Gerlado made if very clear. These million hoodie marches are the same nature as the slut walks to protest the flippant catagorization that women's apparel is a cause in rape. And I actually do get the outrage.
http://www.tallahassee.com/article/2...xt%7CFRONTPAGE
That doesn't justify an arrest to appease an angry mob. I look forward to the day that he is arrested with an iron clad case that he can't wiggle out of on a technicality .

[talaniman]

The very fact he is free without bail, charges, and with his gun is a double standard that's not extended to anybody else. If that's the way this law is enforced, well sorry, that's not the same due process, or equal protection that is fair and unbiased, or equally applied.

The police should never take the word of a suspect, and then let him go, and would never do it for any other citizen, especially a minority, in the same situation. YOU know it, I know it, everyone knows it, whether he gets convicted by a court or not!

That's the part of the outrage you don't seem to understand or acknowledge, this is but the latest example of many where fair treatment is only for a select few. And the MOB, as YOU call it, have had enough. This isn't a lynching, it's a call for fairness. Its not about him facing charges or a lawful conviction, he will eventually. Its about him going through the same process as anyone else.

Even you have to acknowledge he has not, nor has the public been served and protected. That's why the outrage grows. Why is he presumed innocent, when others have never been?

[tomder55]

Ummm he is a minority . And I have acknowleged that the law enforcement in this case needs to be held accountable.

[paraclete]

ummm he is a minority . and I have acknowleged that the law enforcement in this case needs to be held accountable.

Tom reading up on Zimmerman indicates he is a d**khead of the first order,a police wannabee and all round seriel nuiance who's acting out of his fantasy cost a life. This guy is a suitable case for treatment and local law enforcement would know this, they probably know there is little hope of gaining a conviction as the plea will be insanity

[tomder55]

That may well be ,but my point is that he can only be arrested if he broke the law. He can be brought in and questioned ;but unless the police are ready to book ,he can't be arrested unless charges are ready to be filed . He can't have his personal property confiscated unless there are charges. The case has been handed to a prosecutor and a Grand Jury .
I expect they will have charges that will stick .Then he will be arrested .

In the meantime I ask again... last weekend 50 people were shot in Chicago resulting in 10 deaths including a 6 year old black girl named Aliyah Shell .


This weekend in Chicago there were demonstrations... about the Trayvon Martin case.

[paraclete]

So what's happening over there Tom civil war?

[cdad]

Here is a good one. Im not sure what all the fighting is about when it comes to gun rights. If that man did something illegal then he goes to jail if he didn't then he doesn't go to jail. There is nothing magical about it. Maybe this guy should have tried to run away like they taught him to in the service??

92-year-old veteran sticks to his guns; DA, HPD chief promise help | khou.com Houston

[speechlesstx]

Did I say something about the "upwelling" was by the race baiters, in spite of the fact that we all agree Zimmerman was a paranoid wannabe that murdered an innocent kid? Yeah, I think I did. Meanwhile, "the New Black Panther Party offered a reward of $10,000 for the capture" of Zimmerman. Dead or alive.

Yeah, that's helpful... at a rally saying "stop the killing" no less.

P.S. I wonder if anyone will be holding a "stop the killing" sign at Aliyah Shell's funeral.

[talaniman]

They joined to late as the upwelling started when the reporting spread to the national stage. Or else it would be swept under the rug. I am not backing the new Black Panthers mind you, but they have as much right to express themselves, right or wrong, as birthers, Tea party, or any other who use extreme language, and rhetoric.

I don't think that just because this one case has been made a focal point for many, that you can lose site of the fact there are many such cases, and incidents through out the country that have not gotten the publicity they deserve. That doesn't make them invalid, just less known.

Indeed Speech, we are getting more evidence that the Trayvon Martin case is NOT that unique, and more widespread than just one case, in one town. But just as your baiters do exist, you have many more who are race deniers.

[speechlesstx]

I don't know Tal, I think there are more race baiters than deniers. Most of us really don't give a crap what color your skin is and we're fed up with the left's attempts to keep racism alive. I don't care if the New Black Panthers exercise their free speech rights, but calling for a "dead or alive" bounty they hope will be up to $1 million dollars soon is advocating murder.

[talaniman]

Institutional racism is alive and well in this age, as is the perverse hidden kind, wrapped in code words and actions and the legislative kind where the hoods come off (NOT hoodies, LOL) and they run for local elections to make laws to keep divisions alive.

I believe as you do that its character and not skin color, but it doesn't take a bunch of people to screw that up. It only takes one. Don't be distracted, or misdirected by those who would use situations, and circumstances to promote their own agenda.

There are loonies, and goonies on both sides. Not everyone is a good guy like YOU,. OR ME!

[excon]

Most of us really don't give a crap what color your skin is and we're fed up with the left's attempts to keep racism alive.

Hello again, Steve:

What you've been GOOD at, is accusing US of racism because we RECOGNIZE racism, and speak about it.. It's good tactic, but it ain't going to work.

I know you guys think racism was handled with the Civil Rights Law. What BLOWS me away, is that you believe if Zimmerman had been black, and Trayvon had been white, the same thing would have happened... But, you guys DO believe that... I have NO idea why.

excon

[excon]

Hello again, Steve:

Let's review:

(1) You don't think Zimmerman is a racist. (2) You don't think the cops are racist. (3) You think the only reason we say they ARE is to perpetuate a racism that just isn't there, and (4) we DO this in order to PREVENT real progress..

Really? Dude!

excon

PS> (edited) There WAS a post above mine that I quoted. Why did you take it down?

[Curlyben]

As the text was borderline and the pictures where both disrespectful and racist the post was removed.
Let the media play the whole race "issue" but keep it partisan here please.

[speechlesstx]

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[Curlyben]

I meant on the side of balance, as well you know.

[speechlesstx]

Where exactly in the rules does it specify this balance I must maintain on a current events "member discussions" forum that was designed for us to have more latitude in our discussions? That is why you created it, I remember it quite vividly.