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ballengerb1 · Mar 24, 2012, 09:30 AM

I agree, Lucky did a great job. I am a bit concerned about a baby monitorbeing used. Many of us think he "learned" to poop in his crate from the puppy mill. If he is a learner the monitor may wake you to take him out in the midlle of the night. I would not look forward to my dogs learning this. If he is healthy and wormed there should be no bowel movement in the night if he is fed on a schedule, I think you said at 6:00am and 6:00 pm. Follow Lucky's advice but consider more exercise one hour after eating the evening meal. Good luck

grammadidi · Mar 25, 2012, 08:49 AM

Yes, I agree with Lucky and ballenger. I wouldn't rely on a baby monitor. Your puppy should be able to sleep through the night. Take him out last thing in the night before you hop into bed, then set your alarm to get up 1/2 hour earlier than you normally do and immediately go to the puppy's crate to see if he's clean. If he is, it could be that the morning rituals prior to his going out are taking too long. If he's not, set your alarm 15 minutes. Earlier the next day. Do this up to an hour earlier. If he is dirty each of these times, change it up - set your alarm for an hour after you go to bed. I don't expect you to take him out or even wake him at that time.. just see if he has messed in his crate. Once you determine WHEN it is that he is actually going to the bathroom you can determine the real issue. The important thing is that taking puppy out is ALWAYS done last thing before YOU settle for the night and FIRST thing in the morning (before you do anything for the first little while). You can gradually extend crated time at night based upon his ability to stay settled and clean.

I wouldn't use the pheremone attractant if I were you. Just take him to the same place every time to "do his job" and stay there until he does it. If he doesn't do it, then he is crated or tied to you so you can watch him for the signs of needing to go. Also, I am a firm believer that you must totally ignore the pooping in the cage (ie: don't punish, gripe or carry on about it), give a firm "NO" when you catch him attempting to go in the house and praise and reward the positive with the utmost of excitement. Reward can be a treat (which I don't tend to use except for very strongly food motivated puppies), happy playtime and a run, play with a favourite toy, excited petting and high, happy baby-talk voice filled with "good boy do your job!" (puppies respond VERY well to that), etc.

If he is only having accidents in his crate it does sound like he just isn't aware of what the acceptable place is that he should go to the bathroom. He probably does see that as the place he is supposed to go because he has spent a lot of his short life in a cage. I also think the plastic crate might be a good solution for him. Leave the crate open and accessible at all times when he's not in it and if he goes in it to sleep on his own and doesn't mess in it, reward him when he wakes and immediately take him outside.

I do want to say that as far as feeding and puppies go... a puppy will get into more mischief if they feel hungry - especially puppy mill dogs. It stresses them more than you can imagine. I don't feel that what you were feeding is out of line for a boxer. I have 3 dogs... my Bernese Mountain Dog (125 lbs) eats 2 cups twice a day. My Chocolate Lab (65 lbs) eats 1 1/3 cups twice a day and my Golden Retriever (57 lbs) who is 15 months old eats 2 1/3 cups twice a day. A boxer is generally a high energy dog who will burn off food fairly quickly. You can reduce his food intake after he matures. My Golden Retriever pup was eating 2 1/2 cups a meal (and remember, she was eating 3 to 4 meals a day during that time) from 8 weeks to 12 weeks and 3 cups from 12 weeks to 18 weeks, then gradually reduced it on her own. All of my dogs are slim and active.

Boxers ARE intelligent and do need to be challenged intellectually. I strongly advise you take him to obedience training and you might want to consider a trainer who will gradually ease you into rally obedience. The dog will love it and you will form a strong bond with him. Play hide and seek with him in the house - hide a favourite toy (simply at first and only in one room) and have him find it. Guide him with "YES!", "over (and point in the correct direction), "back (with a pushing motion of the hand), and a quiet "no" when he's going in the wrong place. He will LOVE it!

Your puppy is trying hard to learn and you are too. Soon this will all be behind you. Good luck!

Hugs, Didi

smartblondy · May 5, 2012, 01:59 PM

Try getting the dog a smaller crate then if it poops it will have to lye in it which it won't want to do which will also make it stop hopefully

JudyKayTee · May 5, 2012, 02:01 PM

Originally Posted by smartblondy

Try getting the dog a smaller crate then if it poops it will have to lye in it which it won't want to do which will also make it stop hopefully

This is cruel, heartless, foolish advice. You did read that this is about a puppy, right? You do realize how long it takes a puppy to achieve bowel control and how frequently the puppy has to "poop," right?

I hope you don't have a dog!

Wondergirl · May 5, 2012, 02:30 PM

Originally Posted by smartblondy

Try getting the dog a smaller crate then if it poops it will have to lye in it which it won't want to do which will also make it stop hopefully

In addition to what Judy said, lying in his poop won't make the puppy stop. When he has to go, he will go. When he wants to lie down, he will lie down in it.

smartblondy · May 5, 2012, 02:46 PM

Well I tried this with my two puppies I got the advice from a dog book and the advice worked

smartblondy · May 5, 2012, 02:47 PM

Plus I absolutely love dogs and puppies so I wouldn't try it or advise it if I didn't know it works

Wondergirl · May 5, 2012, 03:04 PM

Originally Posted by smartblondy

Plus I absolutely love dogs and puppies so I wouldn't try it or advise it if I didn't know it works

We won't put you in a small cage and make you...

JudyKayTee · May 5, 2012, 04:55 PM

Originally Posted by smartblondy

Plus I absolutely love dogs and puppies so I wouldn't try it or advise it if I didn't know it works

Having something work and being cruel are two different things.

What was the name of "the book" that gave you this advice?

A person who loves dogs and puppies does not crate them with their own waste. Sorry, you're wrong.

Alty · May 5, 2012, 05:09 PM

Originally Posted by smartblondy

Plus I absolutely love dogs and puppies so I wouldn't try it or advise it if I didn't know it works

I have to ask. How many dogs have you owned? What is your background, are you a trainer, or do you just consider yourself to be one. Just owning a dog doesn't make you an expert in dog care or training. In fact, too many people that have dogs don't have a clue when it comes to training.

Just because it's in a book doesn't mean it's right. You have to use common sense. Telling someone to let their 11 week old puppy lie in its own poop, is not only cruel, but the worst advice you can give.

On this site we don't guess. The majority of people answering the dog questions know what they're doing. If you give bad or harmful advice we will call you on it, we're not here to make you feel special, we're here to help the animals that are in people's lives.

Lucky gave a very accurate, very precise post. I have nothing to add. I have a 9 week old puppy right now, and he's never had one accident in his crate. But then, he was on a farm, not a pet store, or puppymill, and sadly, the majority of dogs sold in pet stores are puppymill dogs. Farm dogs learn not to pee or poo where they sleep. It's not natural for a dog to do so. But puppymill/petstore dogs are forced to spend 24/7 in a cage, so they have no option but to poop where they sleep. It will take more than a few weeks to train him that this behavior isn't right, because that's all he's ever known.

I can only add that I wish the OP a lot of luck. Be consistent, kind, and I'm very sure that puppy will come around in time. :)

smartblondy · May 5, 2012, 06:17 PM

Sorry didn't mean to upset anyone really sorry :(:(:(:(

Wondergirl · May 5, 2012, 06:20 PM

Originally Posted by smartblondy

Sorry didn't mean to upset anyone really sorry

Promise us you won't ever put a dog in a crate and make him lie in his own poop. Or rub his nose in it. And ask real dog experts for help with any dog problems or questions.

Alty · May 5, 2012, 06:23 PM

Originally Posted by smartblondy

Sorry didn't mean to upset anyone really sorry :(:(:(:(

It's not a problem, and your apology is accepted. :)

Just try to stick to answering questions where you're positive about the answer, where you've had experience, not just read something in a book.

We take the lives of the animals in the pet forum very seriously. The answers have to be dead on accurate, not googled, but given from people with vast knowledge and experience working with animals.

There are many forums on this site where only opinion matters, like the dating forum, or discussion forum, but forums like the pet forum, the legal forum, the medical forum, you can't guess, or offer opinion. You have to know what you're talking about, and know it completely.

Stick around, post, answer questions, but stick to the forums you can contribute to. By all means read the forums you're interested in, listen, learn. You can't become an expert in something if you don't learn, right? :)

JudyKayTee · May 6, 2012, 06:16 AM

Originally Posted by Alty

I have to ask. How many dogs have you owned? What is your background, are you a trainer, or do you just consider yourself to be one. Just owning a dog doesn't make you an expert in dog care or training. In fact, too many people that have dogs don't have a clue when it comes to training.

Just because it's in a book doesn't mean it's right. You have to use common sense. Telling someone to let their 11 week old puppy lie in its own poop, is not only cruel, but the worst advice you can give.

On this site we don't guess. The majority of people answering the dog questions know what they're doing. If you give bad or harmful advice we will call you on it, we're not here to make you feel special, we're here to help the animals that are in people's lives.

Lucky gave a very accurate, very precise post. I have nothing to add. I have a 9 week old puppy right now, and he's never had one accident in his crate. But then, he was on a farm, not a pet store, or puppymill, and sadly, the majority of dogs sold in pet stores are puppymill dogs. Farm dogs learn not to pee or poo where they sleep. It's not natural for a dog to do so. But puppymill/petstore dogs are forced to spend 24/7 in a cage, so they have no option but to poop where they sleep. It will take more than a few weeks to train him that this behavior isn't right, because that's all he's ever known.

I can only add that I wish the OP a lot of luck. Be consistent, kind, and I'm very sure that puppy will come around in time. :)

She is 11 - and this is undoubtedly 11 year old advice.

Alty · May 6, 2012, 09:54 AM

Originally Posted by JudyKayTee

She is 11 - and this is undoubtedly 11 year old advice.

Ahh! Well it makes sense now.

To the 11 year old, I do welcome you to this site, because we sadly don't really have an age limit for joining, but I have to say this, as a mom, this is really not a place where you should be "hanging out". There are very adult issues discussed on this site, and even though I trust every single long term member on this site with both of my children, there are still things on this site that a child should not be reading.

Do your parents know that you've joined this site? Have they read all of the forums that you can access on this site? Do you have their permission to be here?

I don't know one forum where you'd actually have the experience to answer a question. You're too young to even answer questions in the teen forum.

Not that we don't welcome you, but I am worried that this place may be a bit too mature for a child your age. In a few years you'd be a bit better equipped to deal with everything you can access here. Until then, I really don't think this is a place for an 11 year old. I hope you take that into consideration before you continue. Okay?

JudyKayTee · May 6, 2012, 10:10 AM

Well, actually she's posted about "tonguing" on the adult boards. I would guess there is little or no parental supervision.

I hope she takes your words to heart OR posts on suitable boards.

smartblondy · May 6, 2012, 01:53 PM

Yeah sorry about that me and my best friend share this account

JudyKayTee · May 6, 2012, 01:57 PM

Originally Posted by smartblondy

Yeah sorry about that me and my best friend share this account

First, you and your best friend have exactly the same writing style, same "Yeah" and no punctuation, other similarities.

You wouldn't believe how many people post things they regret... and then announce it wasn't them, it was their (A) best friend; (B) sister; (C) cousin; (D) You fill in the blank.

Sharing an account is against the AMHD rules. You also posted that you want to stop being part of AMHD. Just stop posting and that will happen.

You were given very well stated, clear, caring advice - and you responded with the "best friend" lie. You are simply too young to participate in an adult board.

Alty · May 6, 2012, 03:04 PM

Originally Posted by smartblondy

Yeah sorry about that me and my best friend share this account

Why? It's free to join, it's free to participate, so there's absolutely no reason to share an account with anyone, and it's against the rules of the site to do so.

In other words, I don't believe it, because it makes no sense, and we've heard that lie one too many times to fall for it again.