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tomder55 · Mar 23, 2012, 07:24 AM

You think there should be an arrest because of external pressure ? Is that the way the law works ?

excon · Mar 23, 2012, 07:31 AM

Originally Posted by tomder55

You think there should be an arrest because of external pressure ? Is that the way the law works ?

Hello again, tom:

I think external pressure would have the cops going over EVERY move they've made, every report they've written, and every witness they've interviewed. Having MADE that review, there's STILL no arrest.

The feds and the new prosecutor are DOING the same thing, and no charges have been filed.. What other conclusion can I come up with? What's YOUR conclusion?

excon

tomder55 · Mar 23, 2012, 07:38 AM

It's not up to me to decide if arrests and prosecution is warranted even though it is my opinion. Public pressure is doing it's role ,making sure there is a proper investigation into the incident . If you ask me that it should be handed over to an independent prosecutor ,I'd say yes . But I can't say based on what I know if he should be arrested... or if he is the only one who should be (evidence tampering ? Possibly)

speechlesstx · Mar 23, 2012, 08:48 AM

Originally Posted by excon

Hello again, Steve:

If you SEE no upwelling, my directing you to it won't help.

excon

I see Sharpton and Pitts, that's automatic outrage.

talaniman · Mar 23, 2012, 02:17 PM

They have been outraged a long time Speech, and rightfully so!

excon · Mar 24, 2012, 07:22 AM

Hello again,

There is a BIGGER story going on here... Some of you aren't aware of it... I don't know why.

These laws are on the books in 25 states. There have been unjustified killings based on them before. I can't find it, but the one in Texas where a neighbor shot and killed two black illegal aliens breaking into a neighbors house... There wasn't a backlash about that. Maybe being illegal AND black was the double whammy. But, I digress...

There IS a backlash about Trayvon. To those of you who see this backlash, why is it happening NOW? To those of you who DON'T, I invite you to open your eyes... If you're about to say with Pitts and Sharpton involved, it's a manufactured RACIAL issue by the left wing, I'm ready for you.

excon

tomder55 · Mar 24, 2012, 07:57 AM

The knee jerkers should go to Chi town and express their outrage there .Why Chi town ? Because in the last week scores ;maybe as many as 50 ,were shot and at least 10 killed in a place where there is no stand your ground laws.
Just for some perspective .

The outraged have accomplished what is reasonable .The investigations are ongoing. Let the investigators do their work .

If the investigation is not complete ,and there are no charges that will stick until the investigation is complete ,then what is the purpose of an arrest ,except to appease the mob ?

Edit... in the Chi town violence ;the youngest victim was a 6 year old girl
http://abclocal.go.com/wls/story?sec...cal&id=8589015

excon · Mar 24, 2012, 08:22 AM

Originally Posted by tomder55

Think about it ...someone who isn't a cop confronts you with a gun in his hand . It's likely the kid was acting in self defense by attacking .

Originally Posted by tomder55

The knee jerkers should go to Chi town and express their outrage there

Hello again, tom:

So, they should just go away? There's nothing going on here, folks. Just move along.

You appeared to be outraged once. What happened?

excon

tomder55 · Mar 24, 2012, 08:37 AM

So, they should just go away? There's nothing going on here, folks. Just move along.

Putting words in my mouth again.
Look ,State Attorney Angela B. Corey has been appointed by Rick Scott to take over the case. She's a tough prosecutor who has successfully prosecuted many homicides . Zimmerman's story is unbelievable and transparent. He'll go down ,and the law he will use in his self defense does not apply to his case.

He'd do better to plead insanity because he's a nut job. He assaulted a cop ;he's clearly a paranoid ,having called 9-1-1 multiple times . His lawyer talks of significant injuries to his nose and head which should've required stitches .Yet he did not go the ER or have his injuries documented .
Again ,the big story here is the apparent shoddy police work immediately after the incident . Perhaps the "Reverend " did some good in highlighting that fact . But now there is a State prosecutor on the case ,and most likely a Federal investigation. Mission accomplished .
As far as the law ; it's not intended to protect people like Zimmerman to justify killing a child ;and it's not likely that it will .

excon · Mar 24, 2012, 08:51 AM

Hello again, tom:

So, RACE has nothing to do with it, huh?

Why does Florida have a statewide ban on saggy pants? Didn't you say somewhere above that if Zimmerman had been black, and Trayvon white, there would have been a different outcome??

If you didn't, and I'm not going to look, do you BELIEVE that sentiment?? Unless, your head is in the sand, you'd HAVE to believe it. Come on. Tell me with a straight face, that a ban on saggy pants ISN'T racist to its core.

Don't you think we need an AIRING of those issues?

I don't think you you do. I believe you feel that we already DEALT with civil rights, so what's the problem...

Over to you.

excon

tomder55 · Mar 24, 2012, 09:02 AM

Didn't you say somewhere above that if Zimmerman had been black, and Trayvon white, there would have been a different outcome??

I don't believe I did .
Do I think race was a factor ? Yes ,that is clear from his 9-1-1 call. All the more reason why he won't get away with hiding behind the Fla law .

I did not realize baggy pants were the issue. I thought it was hoodies . Being a long time wearer of hoodies myself ,I was not aware until Geraldo started yapping about it that hoodies id'd me as a back . Should I discard mine ? I get mine from Modells . They are convenient apparel to wear in the spring and fall before the real cold weather begins . Clearly I don' t think someone who wears them should be shot.

talaniman · Mar 24, 2012, 09:10 AM

HA! You righties are good with long investigations, but a black guy who hollers self defense, after shooting a white guy, hell, any guy, would be in jail while the investigation dragged on, and on..!

Equal protection under the law my a$$!

tomder55 · Mar 24, 2012, 09:13 AM

Do you have an example ,or are you just flapping your gums . This incident is a month old . I was not looking for a prolonged investigation. I'm not looking for a lynching either.

tomder55 · Mar 24, 2012, 09:16 AM

BTW... about those baggy pants ? The law passed was for public schools and not a general ban on baggy pants. I'd go further . Students in public schools should wear uniforms .

talaniman · Mar 24, 2012, 09:37 AM

Originally Posted by tomder55

do you have an example ,or are you just flapping your gums . This incident is a month old . I was not looking for a prolonged investigation. I'm not looking for a lynching either.

You made my point, so I don't have to give an example, this case is a perfect example of prolonged investigations and leaving a killer free while everyone in authority wrings their hands in the face of overwhelming, and growing evidence. After a month, we are still no closer to justice, or fairness. Just growing OUTRAGE, and finger pointing.

This was not the first incidence of the cops mishandling their investigations into a crime. That's what got the previous chief replaced by the new one. That was a year ago, and here we are again with the same old shuffle and cover ups.

You are NOT looking for a lynching?? I bet the youth at the center of this outrage wasn't looking to be murdered. Whats wrong with him being in custody while the investigation goes on?

Oh that's right, we can't violate his rights now can we. He is the right color, to be presumed innocent. You righties sound so reasonable when it comes to your own. No wonder you can temper your outrage with due process. A month later!

DoulaLC · Mar 24, 2012, 09:44 AM

As tom said, the baggy pants ban is for public schools, not a ban statewide for the general public. Peaden and Baxley both have said that the law was not followed, and should not be used as a defense, when Zimmerman followed Martin.

excon · Mar 24, 2012, 09:50 AM

Originally Posted by DoulaLC

As tom said, the baggy pants ban is for public schools, not a ban statewide for the general public.

Hello Doula:

My point wasn't WHO, but WHAT. Banning saggy pants for ANYBODY is racist. That's just so...

excon

tomder55 · Mar 24, 2012, 09:51 AM

What's wrong with him being in custody while the investigation goes on?

What charge ? Believe it or not ,you have to charge someone to put him under arrest .

excon · Mar 24, 2012, 09:59 AM

Originally Posted by tomder55

I don't know that and that is only a presumption . Doubt if a jury will agree.

They have the 9-1-1 call . There was no need for him to get out of the truck after that . He provoked the confrontation .

I think Zimmerman is in a whole lot of trouble .

Originally Posted by tomder55

What charge ? Believe it or not ,you have to charge someone to put him under arrest .

Hello again, tom:

In the beginning of this thread, it was ME who was saying the law PROTECTS this guy. It was YOU who was saying there was probable cause for an arrest...

Now, that race has reared its ugly head, your sympathy's appear to have shifted. No?

excon

tomder55 · Mar 24, 2012, 10:00 AM

Oh that's right, we can't violate his rights now can we. He is the right color, to be presumed innocent. You righties sound so reasonable when it comes to your own. No wonder you can temper your outrage with due process. A month later!

You are aware that Zimmerman is Hispanic.. don't you ? I'm on record as saying that I believe he is guilty of murder. I also don't want the case botched more than it has been by incompetence or a rush to judgement .