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    #161

    Mar 16, 2012, 08:04 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by paraclete View Post
    So then the answer is to provide better legal aid

    Well, it was bound to happen sooner or later. For once we agree on something.

    In my area tell me who you retained and I can give you a very educated guess about your sentence. Yes, it's unfair.

    I will also throw in my two cents about the level of education in many parts of the US (as demonstrated on AMHD fairly frequently) - people who have a very poor grasp of the English language do very poorly in Court. The judge listens to "you know," "I axed him a question," "I be going there" a few times and things do not go well. Agreed, not fair - but it happens and very often it is obvious.
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    Mar 16, 2012, 01:02 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by JudyKayTee View Post
    Well, it was bound to happen sooner or later. For once we agree on something.

    In my area tell me who you retained and I can give you a very educated guess about your sentence. Yes, it's unfair.

    I will also throw in my two cents about the level of education in many parts of the US (as demonstrated on AMHD fairly frequently) - people who have a very poor grasp of the English language do very poorly in Court. The judge listens to "you know," "I axed him a question," "I be going there" a few times and things do not go well. Agreed, not fair - but it happens and very often it is obvious.
    I thought that was what having an attorney was for, to speak for you and even coach you a little
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    Mar 16, 2012, 01:16 PM
    If you are "coach-able." Some people are not.
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    Mar 16, 2012, 01:36 PM
    I don't know what 'fair' means in this case . What type of council can you expect for free ?

    .edit... and speaking of "fair "... the subject of fairness will be explored from a libertarian perspective tonight.

    http://www.foxbusiness.com/on-air/st...onight-9pm-fbn
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    Mar 16, 2012, 01:51 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    I don't know what 'fair' means in this case . What type of council can you expect for free ?

    .edit ...and speaking of "fair " .... the subject of fairness will be explored from a libertarian perspective tonight.

    What Is Fair? (Tonight at 9PM on FBN) - Stossel's Take Blog - Fox Business
    Well Tom you get someone who is trained, perhaps a recent graduate, depends upon where you live. Who said the law was fair
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    Mar 16, 2012, 04:08 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    I don't know what 'fair' means in this case . What type of council can you expect for free ?

    .edit ...and speaking of "fair " .... the subject of fairness will be explored from a libertarian perspective tonight.

    What Is Fair? (Tonight at 9PM on FBN) - Stossel's Take Blog - Fox Business

    Libertarian perspective?? How is this perspective different from any other perspective presented by Fox News? Just for a change they could try presenting an informed and impartial debate.
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    Mar 16, 2012, 04:26 PM
    No Stossel is much different than most Fox conservative commentators .

    When Fox broadcasts news it's generally straight up reporting . When it has commentary shows ,they don't hide their perspective. But unlike their counterpart progessive news station MSNBC they often have guests to offer counter points to debate.

    That isn't what Stossel's show is however . He mostly does documentaries from a libertarian perspective ;which is significantly different than conservative in some aspects ,and similar in others . One example would be this very debate . Stossel falls in line with those who want to make drugs legal .
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    Mar 16, 2012, 04:37 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    No Stossel is much different than most Fox conservative commentators .

    When Fox broadcasts news it's generally straight up reporting . When it has commentary shows ,they don't hide their perspective. But unlike their counterpart progessive news station MSNBC they often have guests to offer counter points to debate.

    That isn't what Stossel's show is however . He mostly does documentaries from a libertarian perspective ;which is significantly different than conservative in some aspects ,and simular in others . One example would be this very debate . Stossel falls in line with those who want to make drugs legal .

    Hi Tom,

    Sorry, seems like I jumped the gun again. As much as I like this forum I think I need a rest from it. Too many errors lately.

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    Mar 16, 2012, 04:49 PM
    Don't go .I like to get my premise challenged .
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    Mar 16, 2012, 04:56 PM
    Like when the cops knock down your door
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    Mar 17, 2012, 02:08 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    don't go .I like to get my premise challenged .
    Hi Tom,

    Now I am interested again. Which premise is that?

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