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paraclete · Mar 13, 2012, 08:21 PM

Originally Posted by talaniman

No wonder your minorities have an attitude.

True not having to worry about where your next meal is coming from can give you attitude, a sort of stupid pride, but truly it cannot be said we have minorities plural, we have a minority, about 2%, who are somewhat vocal about us changing what they can't change for themselves and we have various ethnic groups who seem to do reasonably well and we don't hear much out of them. The Indians get a bit shirty when the riff-raff target some of their number but generally it is fairly quiet.

Right now our biggest problem is one of the indigenous population has been playing bushranger for seven years and the best of the best haven't been able to catch him
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speechlesstx · Mar 14, 2012, 06:22 AM

Originally Posted by talaniman

Congregate socially is a lot different from living conditions.

Hogwash, and besides that, a dorm is a residence. Duh.

talaniman · Mar 14, 2012, 06:24 AM

Which has nothing to do with a community.

speechlesstx · Mar 14, 2012, 07:25 AM

It's a community of students. You can't just wish the facts away, tal.

excon · Mar 14, 2012, 07:32 AM

Hello again,

Let's say two black people like hanging out with each other BECAUSE they're BOTH black. Ok... I'm not seeing the connection between THAT fact, and the racist drug war.

But, let's say you're a black fellow who's considering moving to town... Would you CHOOSE to live in the POOR neighborhood because there are lots of black people, or would you (if you could) pick a gated community in the burbs, where NO black people live?

excon

tomder55 · Mar 14, 2012, 07:45 AM

I would think that economics would be the determinant .

excon · Mar 14, 2012, 07:58 AM

Originally Posted by tomder55

I would think that economics would be the determinant .

Hello again, tom:

Then it would be fair to say that people don't live in the hood by choice, either, would it?

excon

tomder55 · Mar 14, 2012, 08:08 AM

No more than a poor white person chooses to live in a poor neighborhood . Your problem is the introduction of race as a component

speechlesstx · Mar 14, 2012, 08:09 AM

All I can say is I don't hang out with anyone because they're white.

excon · Mar 14, 2012, 08:38 AM

Originally Posted by tomder55

No more than a poor white person chooses to live in a poor neighborhood . Your problem is the introduction of race as a component

Hello tom:

And, if the population of the hood LOOKED like the population of the REST of the city, I wouldn't have to.. Now, you can CHOOSE to ignore the significance of those demographics, but they constitute a DOT - a HUGE dot.

But, you cannot make the blind see if they don't want to. Isn't that how it goes?

excon

talaniman · Mar 14, 2012, 08:41 AM

Speech, I truly wish that ALL conservatives were of your character. Lefties too! You, Tom, and Clete have different views from mine, but we do talk, discuss, and debate. That's a great thing to me!

I like all the guys and gals that visit this site.

tomder55 · Mar 14, 2012, 08:42 AM

No matter where one lives ,it is no excuse or justification for possession of illegal drugs. This whole thing is a big grasp at straws .

speechlesstx · Mar 14, 2012, 10:53 AM

Originally Posted by talaniman

Speech, I truly wish that ALL conservatives were of your character. Lefties too! You, Tom, and Clete have different views from mine, but we do talk, discuss, and debate. Thats a great thing to me!

I like all the guys and gals that visit this site.

Ditto Tal, just because I want to beat some conservatism into you doesn't mean I don't like you. I can always beat up on you at the virtual football/baseball fields anyway. :)

talaniman · Mar 14, 2012, 11:06 AM

You and Tom seem to be good at that. For NOW!

Quote by Tom,
No matter where one lives ,it is no excuse or justification for possession of illegal drugs. This whole thing is a big grasp at straws .

Don't dismiss the why of drug use, or forget the effects of Prohibition, and the lessons learned. Cocaine is no more dangerous, or deadly as alcohol! One is legal, one is not. At least decriminalize drugs use and give help, rather than push a person into a worse position. Regulate it and let treatment pay for itself. Teach responsibility, and then just as with alcohol, jail 'em when they screw up.

Seems dumb to have a war on drugs when the war on alcohol failed and made criminals rich. Geez Tom, nobody stopped drinking when it was illegal, so whose going to stop using drugs because its illegal??

tomder55 · Mar 14, 2012, 11:29 AM

Why ? I did it in my dark days because it was fun. There... find a socio-economic-racial rationale in that .

Is there any product you think is too harmful to make legal ? Legal drugs that you can only obtain with a prescription also gets abused . So is your answer then to make them readily available over the counter ? For someone who wants to regulate every aspect of our lives you certainly are very libertarian on this single issue. New lib campaign... make drugs legal ,ban salt.

talaniman · Mar 14, 2012, 12:00 PM

Originally Posted by tomder55

Why ? I did it in my dark days because it was fun. There ...find a socio-economic-racial rationale in that .

Is there any product you think is too harmful to make legal ? Legal drugs that you can only obtain with a prescription also gets abused . So is your answer then to make them readily available over the counter ? For someone who wants to regulate every aspect of our lives you certainly are very libertarian on this single issue. New lib campaign ... make drugs legal ,ban salt.

They are fun, and feel good. No rationale, most of us feel that way, but we were lucky not to get caught, right? Anything can be abused, and some substances need regulation, as better regulation than unjustified imprisonment, wouldn't you say, or lock 'em up and forget 'em.

I don't abuse salt.

paraclete · Mar 14, 2012, 01:35 PM

I don't get this whole make drugs legal debate, is your friendly neighborhood dealer going to open a shop front? Do you get them at the pharmacy and do the big drug companies get to distribute them? Are they sold under the counter or in plain packaging? Will they be auctioned on Ebay? Will advertising be permitted? Will you take a drive to see the hemp and coca fields? Would you like a meth lab next door? Maybe Big Tobacco will use their manufacturing and distribution network? The FDA makes sure the product is pure?

The whole debate is too simplistic and it still won't stop the kids getting hold of it and getting hooked

excon · Mar 14, 2012, 01:45 PM

Originally Posted by paraclete

The whole debate is too simplistic and it still won't stop the kids getting hold of it and getting hooked

Hello again, clete:

If you think kids CAN'T get it now, you're not paying attention... At LEAST, if it's sold in stores where they check ID's, it would be better than getting it in your alley, where the dealer doesn't care.

excon

speechlesstx · Mar 14, 2012, 01:47 PM

I assume you'll order it like pizza and have it delivered.

paraclete · Mar 14, 2012, 01:58 PM

Originally Posted by excon

Hello again, clete:

If you think kids CAN'T get it now, you're not paying attention... At LEAST, if it's sold in stores where they check ID's, it would be better than getting it in your alley, where the dealer doesn't care.

excon

There is no doubt Ex you can trivilise anything but that's the point of the drug war, the kids can get it now. Checking ID's doesn't stop kids getting alcohol, it just gives the pretense to we care. Do you expect there will be less OD's because its legal or cleaner needles.

When the jails empty you will get the true unemployment statistics as well as adding all the out of work dealers and gang bangers to the list. You could almost see making drugs legal as instant depression