[speechlesstx]

Tal, ex made it about being a "dark skinned" problem, not me. But the fact is Democrats work overtime to inject racism into every issue and keep blacks on the plantation so ask them why they want to keep them dependent on the government.

And while you're at it, after all these years after desegregation ask why blacks keep self-segregating? I'm not creating white dorms, white fraternities, white congressional caucuses, whites for Whitey for president or a white neighborhood association in my Hispanic neighborhood.

[excon]

And while you're at it, after all these years after desegregation ask why blacks keep self-segregating?

Hello again, Steve:

While you're at it, ask yourself if blacks were self-segregating by CHOICE, would they be doing it in THAT neighborhood.

excon

[speechlesstx]

I see no reason why they would be afraid to. I grew up with blacks over here, too. I'm the minority, remember?

[excon]

I see no reason why they would be afraid to. I grew up with blacks over here, too. I'm the minority, remember?

Hello again, Steve:

I didn't say "afraid". You did. YOU even get that it AIN'T the greatest neighborhood. What I ASKED was, if they were CHOOSING to self-segregate, as YOU suggest, would they do it in THAT neighborhood.

Pretend you don't understand all you like, but the obvious answer to my question is, they WOULDN'T!

excon

[talaniman]

Come on Speech, stop making this personal, and see a bigger picture, as it's the inability to see beyond your own neighborhood that prevents you from knowing what poor people really want, and only see what's good for them.

That's the whole problem, you divide and dictate, but are not open to new ideas. Then you feel like they are ungrateful for what you are trying to give them. Maybe you are comfortable with interacting with other cultures and mindsets, but many are NOT, and it's that fear that drives policy, with adverse affects to whom the policy is aimed at.

[speechlesstx]

Hello again, Steve:

I didn't say "afraid". You did. YOU even get that it AIN'T the greatest neighborhood. What I ASKED was, if they were CHOOSING to self-segregate, as YOU suggest, would they do it in THAT neighborhood.

Pretend you don't understand all you like, but the obvious answer to my question is, they WOULDN'T!

excon

You don't know that, my point is they are welcome here which you obviously missed.

[speechlesstx]

Come on Speech, stop making this personal, and see a bigger picture, as its the inability to see beyond your own neighborhood that prevents you from knowing what poor people really want, and only see whats good for them.

Thats the whole problem, you divide and dictate, but are not open to new ideas. Then you feel like they are ungrateful for what you are trying to give them. Maybe you are comfortable with interacting with other cultures and mindsets, but many are NOT, and its that fear that drives policy, with adverse affects to whom the policy is aimed at.

No sir, the whole problem is you lefties think you have all the answers and we're idiots.

[talaniman]

Not idiots, well not all of you, just the ones who talk, but don't budge even in the face of facts and the common good. Be one thing to have an opinion, but who listens to someone's opinion, yet disregards all that doesn't line up with yours?

My way, or the highway is the course of idiots, and the true downfall of this nation. Now stubborn is okay, but only accepting one way is NOT.

Meet me in the middle, and I can hardly call, or think you an idiot because we are working together. Its fruitless to think you can pull the other two thirds of the country to your way of thinking, and if you are unwilling to budge then we have NO consensus, NO agreement, and NO path forward to resolve the issues to the benefit of all.

[speechlesstx]

You aren't budging on the undeniable facts concerning church ministries. And by the way, a Pew survey reveals liberals are the "my way or the highway" group online.

[excon]

You don't know that,

Hello again, Steve:

Yes I do. And you do too, but you're wearing your right wing blinders...

Let's see.. We were talking about people of the same race self-segregating themselves by CHOICE.

In the major city's I'm familiar with, you could only CHOOSE a few places to do that in. That would be, a middle class neighborhood, a gated community uptown, or the hood where the projects and crappy schools are..

So, you'd have me believe they'd CHOOSE the projects?? Dude. Look around.

excon

[tomder55]

Clearly this is an economic issue then and not a racial one.

[talaniman]

You aren't budging on the undeniable facts concerning church ministries. And by the way, a Pew survey reveals liberals are the "my way or the highway" group online.

Well clearly the liberals here don't fit into that category because we meet you conservatives for coffee, lunch, dinner, and snacks almost everyday, LOL.

clearly this is an economic issue then and not a racial one.

Clearly, but race divides and that's the goal. Now who benefits from a divided society?

[speechlesstx]

Clearly, but race divides and thats the goal. Now who benefits from a divided society?

Democrats.

[excon]

clearly this is an economic issue then and not a racial one.

Hello tom:

It is. But, what's INTERESTING from a socioeconomic perspective, is Steve's belief that they CHOOSE that life because that's where their bro's are.

Look. That belief, like cletes belief is RACIST to its core. Is it DELIBERATE racism?? No. Steve is my friend, and I don't believe he has a mean bone in his body. I don't know about clete.. And, I don't know about you, tom. You've been pretty silent on the issue in terms of YOUR belief.

So, I don't know what to call it, other than BACK DOOR racism. It doesn't overtly show. It's hidden just below the exterior. I don't expect you to AGREE that these statements ARE racist. But, they are. IT'S the racism this thread is based on, and I suspect MOST drug warriors share those same beliefs.

excon

[speechlesstx]

It was just early when I answered that question. But it is not a socioeconomic issue for blacks to self-congregate in a college dorm, dining hall or Martha's Vineyard, because that's where their bro's are.

[tomder55]

I've made more than 2 dozen responses to this thread. My position is clear .The idea that the drug war is racist is a ginned up reason for the goal of legalization. I have also made it clear in this and other thread that I think sentencing guidelines need to be reformed.
I don't have to submit a biography to justify my position if that's what you are looking for . I wouldn't be believed anyway.

And I also made a comment about self segregation. I forget which one it was ,but if you look you'll find it. The poor from any racial group do not have the same housing choices as the more affluent .
However it is an irrelevant point . That has nothing to do about deciding to break the law.

[paraclete]

Tom on the subject of self segregation and housing choices, we all have the same basic choice, we can live in a house or we can live in the street and we both know that how much money we have determines where we live, or you might think so. However some people would rather live in enclaves, manly ethic, than move out. No one forces them to live there, it's an option they exercise.

You are right it has nothing to do with breaking the law or rocking your neighbours roof, as I have said before here it is about attitude and the rule of the mob, and Ex, that is racist to its core, so before you declare me racist get all those other racists to clean up their act.

Drug Laws are not racist at their core, no one sat down and said this how we will subject those people we don't like, we will outlaw drugs. No ex they said this is a problem which is causing social degeneration, violence, etc and we don't need this, our children need protection from this. What I suggest Buddy is if you want to use dope you go somewhere where it is legal. You can go to Columbia and suck on a coca leaf, you go to Afghanistan and you can cultivate your own poppies

[talaniman]

Democrats.

How about greedy people who have their own agenda. MONEY!! And lots of it. Dems, repubs, and all the money that pays them.

Hello tom:
So, I don't know what to call it, other than BACK DOOR racism. It doesn't overtly show. It's hidden just below the exterior. I don't expect you to AGREE that these statements ARE racist. But, they are. IT'S the racism this thread is based on, and I suspect MOST drug warriors share those same beliefs.
Excon

Its called Hidden Racism, so a minority gets screwed for their own good.

It was just early when I answered that question. But it is not a socioeconomic issue for blacks to self-congregate in a college dorm, dining hall or Martha's Vineyard, because that's where their bro's are.

Congregate socially is a lot different from living conditions.

The poor from any racial group do not have the same housing choices as the more affluent .
However it is an irrelevant point . That has nothing to do about deciding to break the law.

You almost got it on the head, then you screwed it up with that irrelevant nonsense.

QUOTE by paraclete;
Tom on the subject of self segregation and housing choices, we all have the same basic choice, we can live in a house or we can live in the street and we both know that how much money we have determines where we live, or you might think so. However some people would rather live in enclaves, manly ethic, than move out. No one forces them to live there, it's an option they exercise.

Without a job, there is no option, with a minimum wage job, there is no options. Are you really going to believe that a guygirl who can afford to move doesn't??

You are right it has nothing to do with breaking the law or rocking your neighbors roof, as I have said before here it is about attitude and the rule of the mob, and Ex, that is racist to its core, so before you declare me racist get all those other racists to clean up their act.

That's mob mentality, Racist mob mentality.

Drug Laws are not racist at their core, no one sat down and said this how we will subject those people we don't like, we will outlaw drugs. No ex they
Said this is a problem which is causing social degeneration, violence, etc and we don't need this, our children need protection from this.

They did sit down and figure out how to make money on them. Make a law and pour money and resources to get people with no resource to escape, and making the building of new prisons a big industry, with a steady stream of "customers".

What do you righties do? Talk among yourselves and tell yourselves that its justified to keep minorities in there place by whipping them with laws while limiting there options?

Or are you afraid that minorities outnumber you they will take what you worked so hard for, and change things from the way you like them?

Or like the state of Texas, you just redraw the district to deny equal representation for growing communities?

Or make laws for voting, based on fear, and NOT facts?

Or all the above! Dehumanize, minimize, and make up all kinds of excuses to discriminate, while justifying it all with good intentions.

Those are the tools of divisiveness and separation, that the racist sells to the unwary. Its about the money, make NO mistake. The few that divide, the many.

[paraclete]

How about greedy people who have their own agenda. MONEY!!! And lots of it. Dems, repubs, and all the money that pays them.
Its called Hidden Racism, so a minority gets screwed for their own good.
Congregate socially is a lot different from living conditions.
You almost got it on the head, then you screwed it up with that irrelevant nonsense.
Without a job, there is no option, with a minimum wage job, there is no options. Are you really going to believe that a guygirl who can afford to move doesn't???
Thats mob mentality, Racist mob mentality.
They did sit down and figure out how to make money on them. Make a law and pour money and resources to get people with no resource to escape, and making the building of new prisons a big industry, with a steady stream of "customers".
What do you righties do? Talk among yourselves and tell yourselves that its justified to keep minorities in there place by whipping them with laws while limiting there options?
Or are you afraid that minorities outnumber you they will take what you worked so hard for, and change things from the way you like them?

Or like the state of Texas, you just redraw the district to deny equal representation for growing communities?

Or make laws for voting, based on fear, and NOT facts?
Or all the above!! Dehumanize, minimize, and make up all kinds of excuses to discriminate, while justifying it all with good intentions.
Those are the tools of divisiveness and separation, that the racist sells to the unwary. Its about the money, make NO mistake. The few that divide, the many.

Tal I think it is really sad you live where you do. You are right I have no idea about these conditions because it doesn't happen here and that is because we are a fairer society. Doesn't mean we have solved all the social problems but poverty isn't an issue. Lack of money and lack of opportunity might be an issue but poverty isn't an issue and treading down the masses isn't an issue. It appears you have not known a truly free society where there is an ethos that cares about everyone

[talaniman]

Doesn't mean we have solved all the social problems but poverty isn't an issue.

No wonder your minorities have an attitude.