[tomder55]

the majority of young black men in large American cities are "warehoused in prisons"

I don't have to read any more than that... 3 % of the black population is in jail. I will also reiterate my initial comments . There is no relationship between being black or poor and being involved in the illegal drug culture. For you to say so makes YOU the racist... not me.

[TUT317]

There is no relationship between being black or poor and being involved in the illegal drug culture. For you to say so makes YOU the racist...not me.

Being poor is not a racial distinction.

Tut

[tomder55]

I'm not saying there is .It has been a point advanced throughout this thread .

Still waiting for the proof of the claim that the "drug war "is being waged to create an effective American apartheid .It's steaming load of cow chips .

There is a legitimate debate about if the illegal drugs should be made legal or decriminalized. Fine . But there is no evidence for the outrageous claim in the professor's thesis .

[TUT317]

I'm not saying there is .It has been a point advanced throughout this thread .

Still waiting for the proof of the claim that the "drug war "is being waged to create an effective American apartheid .It's steaming load of cow chips .

There is a legitimate debate about if the illegal drugs should be made legal or decriminalized. Fine . But there is no evidence for the outrageous claim in the professor's thesis .

Hi Tom,

Well actually you did.

"There is no relationship between being black OR* poor and being involved in illegal drug culture."
* my emhpasis

You obviously wanted to say 'and' not 'or'. Sorry about the nit-picking but it does change the meaning.

Tut

[tomder55]

Tut ,read the whole thread ;especially EX's comments to me starting #9 . I was not the one who introduced poverty into the discussion.

[tomder55]

Tut ,read the whole thread ;especially EX's comments to me starting #9 . I was not the one who introduced poverty into the discussion.

Let me make it simple for you there is neither a relationship between being Black and committing crimes... nor is there a relationship between being poor and committing crimes.

[TUT317]

Let me make it simple for you there is neither a relationship between being Black and committing crimes ....nor is there a relationship between being poor and committing crimes.

Hi Tom,

Thanks for making it simple for me.

My comment was directed at, "There is no relationship between being black and poor and being involved in the illegal drugs culture. For you to say so makes YOU the the racist...not me"

The subject of your first sentence is black or poor. 'Or' representing alternatives. Your second sentences is inclusive. Racism refers to one alternative and then the other.

I understand that you comment taken in isolation is not representative of the discussion as a whole. My comment was not intended suply a answer to the debate . As I said before it was directed at a single comment.

Tut



Tut

[excon]

so according to you blacks are profiled into prison having done nothing to deserve it, having broken no laws. Where do you get this garbage?

Hello again, fellows:

Thank you again, for making my point..

Where did we get this garbage? From you, of course.

I think you might say black people are born with a chip on their shoulder and this gets them into trouble both in their own community and in the community at large.

Let's just take the above statement... It can be read TWO ways. Somebody could read it, nod their head and furrow their brows and say YES - somebody gets it. Or, you can react by feeling the hairs on the back of your neck stand up, and your skin begin to crawl, because it's racist.

Let me say again, IF your core belief is what cletes core belief is, and the policy you make STEMS from that core belief, you wind up with RACIST law. Thank you again, clete, for making my point. I could NOT have done it myself.

The dots are obvious for the world to see. If you can't connect them now, it's because you don't want to.

excon

[tomder55]

Clete is entitled to his own views . They have nothing to do with US law.

[excon]

Clete is entitled to his own views . They have nothing to do with US law.

Hello again, tom:

All I can do is lead you to water. If you don't even SEE the water or you refuse to drink, there's nothing more I can do.

excon

[speechlesstx]

Well here's one for you, ex. That evil, evil theocrat Pat Robertson thinks pot should be like, totally legal.

[tomder55]

Stoners are doing a bong hit in his honor. Next up for Robertson... explaining why the unicorn was kicked off the ark.

[talaniman]

I don't have to read any more than that... 3 % of the black population is in jail. I will also reiterate my initial comments . There is no relationship between being black or poor and being involved in the illegal drug culture. For you to say so makes YOU the racist... not me.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incarce..._United_States

According to the US Bureau of Justice Statistics (BJS) non-Hispanic blacks accounted for 39.4% of the total prison and jail population in 2009.[41] According to the 2010 census of the US Census Bureau blacks (including Hispanic blacks) comprised 13.6% of the US population.[42][43][44]

Census data for 2000, which included a count of the number and race of all individuals incarcerated in the United States, showed for each state that the proportion of blacks in prison populations exceeded the proportion of whites among state residents in every state.[47] In twenty states, the percent of blacks incarcerated was at least five times greater than their share of resident population.[47]

In 2008 approximately one in every 31 adults (7.3 million) in the United States was behind bars, or being monitored (probation and parole). In 2008 the breakdown for adults under correctional control was as follows: one out of 18 men, one in 89 women, one in 11 African-Americans (9.2 percent), one in 27 Latinos (3.7 percent), and one in 45 whites (2.2 percent). Crime rates have declined by about 25 percent from 1988-2008.[14] 70% of prisoners in the United States are non-whites.[15] In recent decades the U.S. has experienced a surge in its prison population, quadrupling since 1980, partially as a result of mandatory sentencing that came about during the "war on drugs." Violent crime and property crime have declined since the early 1990s.[16]

Don't know where you got that 3% number from.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racial_...justice_system

With this new drug legislation, the U.S. government has increased the use of incarceration for social control which has resulted in "sharper disproportionate effects on African Americans."[6] In politics, blacks are still in the minority when it comes to winning legislative seats in the state and federal government. Because of this, legislation is being formed and issued through the eyes of the white majority in congress which has led to the continued burden in black communities across the United States.

[speechlesstx]

I don't know either, but 3% of the black population at large is an entirely different number than the percentage of total prison population.

[tomder55]

Because you aren't reading what I wrote . I was not talking about the percent of the population in jail . I was talking about the percent of the Black population that was in jail . You also fail to demonstrate how many of that prison population is incarcerate for illegal drugs.

Look ;prisons are over crowded .That much we know . Even some violent prisoners are being released due to space issues . So now we are to believe that this big lock up is about drug use or possession and an attempt by White America to create an apartheid policy . BS .

[excon]

So now we are to believe that this big lock up is about drug use or possession and an attempt by White America to create an apartheid policy . BS .

Hello again, tom:

I can't look into the hearts of the people who made the law. What I DO know, is that Marijuana was made illegal because the future head drug cop, Harry Anslinger, told congress that if they DIDN'T make it illegal, black and Mexican men would be RAPING their white daughters...

I have NO indication that things have changed since those days.

excon

[talaniman]

Not white America, but some in a position to control policy. Remember a racist is a person who has the power to affect the well being on another based on race. Most Americans don't meet that standard to be fair, and are not front and center about the existence of the problem because they are either removed from it, or apathetic toward it for whatever reason.

Its so subtle as all it takes is a racist judge, or cop,or governor, or a politician who is just greedy. Arizona is a good case study, of where greed, racism, and power plays a big role in law making simply because a racist wrote a law, and a govenor with ties to the private prison system wants to get state contracts for running the state prisons. Then you have a round up of illegals(?), and the judge sends them to those prisons, and they all make money.

Its just to easy. If you wanted to look you would see a lot of what the author of the book in question is talking about.

Section 2 Incarceration and Its Consequences - Prison Index | Prison Policy Initiative

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...il-790007.html

NOW with Bill Moyers. Society & Community. Prisons in America | PBS

This is a more recent study and puts the black rate at 17 percent. 2.6 for whites.

[speechlesstx]

Hello again, tom:

I can't look into the hearts of the people who made the law. What I DO know, is that Marijuana was made illegal because the future head drug cop, Harry Anslinger, told congress that if they DIDN'T make it illegal, black and Mexican men would be RAPING their white daughters...

You'll have to point out the quote because the only instance of any form of the word 'rape' I found was this:

I do not think there is such a thing as not being able to cure an addict. Marihuana addicts my go to a Federal narcotic farm. But I have not seen many addicts who could not be cured. An addict could drop it and he will not experience any ill effects.

One of these boys I referred to went insane, and they stopped it. Here in Colorado -- and Colorado seems to have had a lot of cases of violence recently -- in Alamosa County, and in Huerfano County the sheriff was killed as the result of the action of a man under the influence of marihuana. Recently in Baltimore a young man was sent to the electric chair for having raped a girl while under the influence of marihuana.

That's the same as "if they DIDN'T make it illegal, black and Mexican men would be RAPING their white daughters"? I see no reference to their skin color any where, do you?

[excon]

Its just to easy. If you wanted to look you would see a lot of what the author of the book in question is talking about.

Hello tal:

Dot connecting doesn't seem to be something they're going to do. Oh, they'll connect Michelle Obama and healthy food to socialism, all right, but the facts and figures presented by YOU and what's in the book...

Nahhhh.

excon

[speechlesstx]

Hello tal:

Dot connecting doesn't seem to be something they're gonna do. Oh, they'll connect Michelle Obama and healthy food to socialism, alright, but the facts and figures presented by YOU and what's in the book...

Nahhhh.

excon

Hey, I was trying to connect the dots in your link above but they just aren't there dude. What's to connect? Why are you suddenly seeing a boogeyman in every corner?