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    Feb 5, 2012, 02:14 PM
    Are you better off than you were 4 years ago??
    Hello:

    Although, I'm NOT a fan of Obama, I'd have to say YES, for the following reasons:

    GM is alive, and Bin Laden is dead. I'm PROUD that EVERYBODY can serve this great nation WITHOUT respect to their sexuality. Jobs ARE being produced, whereas four years ago, they weren't. I cannot be denied health coverage because of a pre-existing condition. War is over in Iraq, and ending in Afghanistan.. Banks are lending, whereas four years ago, they weren't. Gold is up.

    So, yeah. I'm better off. You?

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    Feb 5, 2012, 02:29 PM
    I am better off with the extra 80 bucks from two years ago, and a hundred would make me even happier.
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    Feb 5, 2012, 02:39 PM
    No ex the stuffing about you fellows have done over there has made things worse for me. It is very hard to make money and stock values have been eroded. You would have to be part of the 1% for things to be better
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    Feb 5, 2012, 02:53 PM
    No, I'm not better off. My husband has lost his job and my family has lost a million dollar business. Four+ years ago we had a two income family, now we are struggling to live on my income alone.
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    Feb 6, 2012, 06:29 AM
    I adapt . IS the country better off ? Nope . We were headed towards a cliff and he put his foot on the accelerator .
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    Feb 6, 2012, 06:32 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    I adapt . IS the country better off ? Nope . We were headed towards a cliff and he put his foot on the accelerator .
    Oh, I adapt as well. Luckily my income is high enough to keep us from robbing Peter to pay Paul. However, we would be much more comfortable if my husband were working and we still had our business.
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    #7

    Feb 6, 2012, 06:35 AM
    Agreed . This President has no clue about things like employment . We should be at very least a 5-6 % growth rate in a typical recovery after 3 full years . It is his polices at this point that is preventing it. We are barely treading water and he touts that as a major achievement .
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    Feb 6, 2012, 07:06 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    We should be at very least a 5-6 % growth rate in a typical recovery after 3 full years .
    Hello tom:

    Were this a typical downturn, you'd be right.. But, it wasn't, and you ain't.

    excon
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    Feb 6, 2012, 07:10 AM
    If he adopts more policies like FDR he can extend it another 4-8 years .
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    Feb 6, 2012, 07:12 AM
    I'm slightly better off than I was 4 years ago. Now my husband has a job. Back then he didn't. So we still have our house. But since I still don't have a job I don't know how much longer we'll have the house.
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    Feb 6, 2012, 07:46 AM
    I can without a doubt say, no sir I am not. Oh I'll be fine because I take responsibility but, Obamacare has driven up the cost of health insurance premiums so much that my current coverage is so bad I may as well not have coverage. He promised if I liked my insurance I could keep up, but that's not possible.
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    Feb 6, 2012, 08:50 AM
    No, changes in medicare has reduced payments, caused layoffs in medical supply fields. They are now paying much less, than 4 or 5 years ago. The job that paid 20 dollars a hour 4 years ago now pays about 12 to 15 if you can find them.

    I had to drop medical health insurance last year, Could not afford it, for just my wife and I, it went to over 800 dollars a month.

    Eating more tuna and chicken with food costs up about 15 or 20 percent.

    Don't go on trips with gas prices double what they were.
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    Feb 6, 2012, 11:23 AM
    You are seeing an amazing thing this year. The President knows he can't run on his record.. So on the campaign trail... he is concocting a fictional economy ("the economy built to last."....."An America where we build stuff and make stuff and sell stuff all over the world." )that he is running on and acting as if he is the outsider running against the existing economy.

    He's still playing that hopey changy card . It doesn't matter who the Repubics nominate . He will go the rest of the year bellowing "don't pay attention to the man behind the curtain ". He will still blame Bush.

    Of course the only one left for the Repubics who has a clue is Santorum. But he struggled to find any support this weekend in NV ;so he is probably toast. Elitist Romney is running away from the grandious Newt ,and the crazy uncle Ron Paul . Perhaps the President will get away with it as he continues to appeal to the emotions (that empathy thingy ) of the populace instead of their brains .
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    Feb 6, 2012, 11:25 AM
    They certainly didn't vote with their brains last time around.
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    Feb 6, 2012, 11:46 PM
    You mean 2010?? I agree.
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    #16

    Feb 7, 2012, 07:36 AM
    We are discussing the president, Tal. The people came to their senses in 2010, let's hope they do so again.
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    Feb 7, 2012, 07:51 AM
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    The people came to their senses in 2010, let's hope they do so again.
    Hello again, Steve:

    Voting in the Tea Party radical right wasn't sensible at all. They're ALL Sharron Angle and Christine O'Donnell, and the people are figuring it out.

    I'm looking at a LANDSLIDE.

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    Feb 7, 2012, 02:19 PM
    Be careful you don't get buried ex.
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    Feb 7, 2012, 03:06 PM
    GM is alive
    After taking $50 billion in taxpayer money they did an IPO that raised $20 billion . But their stock has tanked by a third since the IPO and the company is barely on life support and Treasury changed it's estimates... Now it looks like the taxpayers will absorb a $23 billion loss .
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    Feb 7, 2012, 03:34 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by excon View Post
    Hello again, Steve:

    Voting in the Tea Party radical right wasn't sensible at all. They're ALL Sharron Angle and Christine O'Donnell, and the people are figuring it out.

    I'm looking at a LANDSLIDE.
    You think Rubio is a Christine O'Donnell?

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