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Dec 7, 2011, 11:19 AM
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Help with iambic pentameter in Othello
I need some help. ME and my group were assigned several monologues fro act 2-5 of Othello.We're really confused. I'm not asking for anyone to do the work for us but if you could identify 1 change in iambic pentameter, and explain how you got it so we can apply it to the rest of the monologue. Also What is Elizabethan Rhetoric
That Cassio loves her, I do well believe it;
That she loves him, 'tis apt and of great credit:
The Moor, howbeit that I endure him not,
Is of a constant, loving, noble nature,
And I dare think he'll prove to Desdemona
A most dear husband. Now, I do love her too;
Not out of absolute lust, though peradventure
I stand accountant for as great a sin,
But partly led to diet my revenge,
For that I do suspect the lusty Moor
Hath leap'd into my seat; the thought whereof
Doth, like a poisonous mineral, gnaw my inwards;
And nothing can or shall content my soul
Till I am even'd with him, wife for wife,
Or failing so, yet that I put the Moor
At least into a jealousy so strong
That judgment cannot cure. Which thing to do,
If this poor trash of Venice, whom I trash
For his quick hunting, stand the putting on,
I'll have our Michael Cassio on the hip,
Abuse him to the Moor in the rank garb—
For I fear Cassio with my night-cap too—
Make the Moor thank me, love me and reward me.
For making him egregiously an ***
And practising upon his peace and quiet
Even to madness. 'Tis here, but yet confused:
Knavery's plain face is never seen tin used.
PLEASE just help us out.
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Jobs & Parenting Expert
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Dec 7, 2011, 11:29 AM
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Iambic means the stress is on the second syllable; pentameter means there are five strong syllables in each line.
-/ -/ -/ -/ -/
This:
When in disgrace with Fortune and men's eyes,
I all alone beweep my outcast state.
Is shown like this:
When IN thisGRACE with FORtune AND men's EYES,
I ALL aLONE beWEEP my OUTcast STATE.
Say that out loud while clapping your hands on each strong beat (like you're cheerleading).
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Jobs & Parenting Expert
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Dec 7, 2011, 11:33 AM
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Elizabethan rhetoric:
Shakespeare's Grammar: Rhetorical Devices
Example:
diacope -- repetition broken up by one or more intervening words
"Put out the light, and then put out the light." (Othello, V, ii)
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Dec 7, 2011, 11:39 AM
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I still don't understand the elizabethan rhetoric
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Dec 7, 2011, 11:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Cheezeycrackers
I still don't understand the elizabethan rhetoric
Did you look at the link I gave you? And I posted an example, from Othello, no less.
You don't "understand" the rhetoric, you just learn it and give examples of it. Writers over the ages have always used various rhetorical devices in their writing. Shakespeare was especially good at this. That site lists the ones he especially liked. There are lots more. :)
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Dec 7, 2011, 11:48 AM
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Is the first line of the monologue you posted iambic pentameter? Say it out loud with every second syllable stressed and find out.
That Cassio loves her, I do well believe it;
Does it flow as iambic pentameter?
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Dec 7, 2011, 11:50 AM
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I did look but its still a little confusing.is all the things under the explanatory paragraph like alliteration apart of it? I'm sorry I'm not trying to be fickle I just honestly have a problem grasping the subject
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Dec 7, 2011, 11:55 AM
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There's 12 syllables though does.nt that make it not an iambic pentameter
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Jobs & Parenting Expert
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Dec 7, 2011, 11:55 AM
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The rhetorical devices are listed alphabetically. Alliteration is the first one listed.
e.g. Silly Sally sat stupidly on her sister's cymbals.
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Dec 7, 2011, 11:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Cheezeycrackers
theres 12 syllables though does.nt that make it not an iambic pentameter
That CASsio LOVES her, I do WELL be LIEVE it;
Iambic pentameter or not?
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Dec 7, 2011, 12:00 PM
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It is Iambic pentameter. I'm guessing. So the sentenc itself does not have to be 10 sylables
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Dec 7, 2011, 12:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Cheezeycrackers
It is Iambic pentameter. I'm guessing. so the sentenc itself does not have to be 10 sylables
It's iambic, but it's not pentameter. The word "it" is stuck at the end and messes up the meter.
That Cassio loves her, I do well believe it;
-/ -/ -/ -/ -/ -
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Dec 7, 2011, 12:06 PM
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Should Shakespeare have quit writing that line at "believe" and skipped the "it"?
That Cassio loves her, I do well believe;
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Dec 7, 2011, 12:07 PM
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So when my question asks for changes in iambic pentameter, it means I'm looking for Iambic
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Dec 7, 2011, 12:13 PM
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So for the second line
That SHE loves HIM,'tis APT and OF great CREdit
Thhis is iambic because it has five stressed syllables but it is not pentameter because its 11 syllables in total?
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Dec 7, 2011, 12:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Cheezeycrackers
so when my question asks for changes in iambic pentameter, it means i'm looking for Iambic
No. You're looking for two things, iamb (stress) and five meters.
Again, iambic pentameter is two things: stress and meter. With "That Cassio loves her, I do well believe it;" the stress is right, but the meter is wrong.
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Dec 7, 2011, 12:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Cheezeycrackers
So for the second line
That SHE loves HIM,'tis APT and OF great CREdit
Thhis is iambic becasue it has five stressed syllables but it is not pentameter because its 11 syllables in total?
Yes.
Shakespeare could be sneaky. In one sonnet he wrote, "And trouble deaf heaven with my bootless cries," but we read it as iambic pentameter by saying, "And troub' deaf heaven with my bootless cries." We drop the second syllable of "trouble" so the meter comes out right.
My English teacher told us he had written it that way, but publishers added the second syllable of "trouble" so as not to confuse people about that word. (What's a "troub"?? )
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Dec 7, 2011, 12:40 PM
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So these lines are iambic pentameter?
I stand accountant for as great a sin,
But partly led to diet my revenge,
For that I do suspect the lusty Moor
And nothing can or shall content my soul
And this would be an example of prose?
Hath LEAP'D into MY seat; THE thought WHEREof
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Dec 7, 2011, 12:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Cheezeycrackers
so these lines are iambic pentameter?
I stand accountant for as great a sin,
But partly led to diet my revenge,
For that I do suspect the lusty Moor
And nothing can or shall content my soul
Yup!
and this would be an example of prose?
Hath LEAP'D into MY seat; THE thought WHEREof
No. It's iambic pentameter.
Hath LEAP'D inTO my SEAT; the THOUGHT whereOF
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Dec 7, 2011, 12:46 PM
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Fantastic! Now I know iambic pentameter. But for my project I need to find the changes in Iambic Pentameter i.e. (Prose, poetry,rhymingcouplets etc)
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