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    Nov 7, 2011, 07:55 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by paraclete View Post
    badly behaved? it seems the southern variety would disagree with you. they call for motions and vote on them, quite strange behaviour for the great unwashed
    Occupy Melbourne protesters take over Treasury Gardens | Herald Sun
    Yeah, they're voting on motions and have committees here, too... not to mention all kinds of goofy hand signals.

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    Nov 7, 2011, 08:19 AM
    Lol direct democracy in action
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    #83

    Nov 7, 2011, 08:21 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by excon View Post
    Hello:

    Education??? We don't need no stinkin education!
    All in all it's just another brick in the wall.
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    #84

    Nov 7, 2011, 08:30 AM
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    Yeah, they're voting on motions and have committees here, too...not to mention all kinds of goofy hand signals.
    Clear example of what happens after doing too many drugs... I guess what that guy yammered on about only makes sense to stoners.
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    #85

    Nov 7, 2011, 09:31 AM
    It gets better, apparently the occupiers have their own 1 percent...

    A Chill Descends On Occupy Wall Street; "The Leaders of the allegedly Leaderless Movement"


    On Sunday, October 23, a meeting was held at 60 Wall Street. Six leaders discussed what to do with the half-million dollars that had been donated to their organization, since, in their estimation, the organization was incapable of making sound financial decisions. The proposed solution was not to spend the money educating their co-workers or stimulating more active participation by improving the organization’s structures and tactics. Instead, those present discussed how they could commandeer the $500,000 for their new, more exclusive organization. No, this was not the meeting of any traditional influence on Wall Street. These were six of the leaders of Occupy Wall Street (OWS).
    You must read the whole thing...
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    #86

    Nov 7, 2011, 03:34 PM
    And wouldn't you know, the first occcupiers' candidate, Elizabeth Warren, is part of the 1 percent.
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    Nov 7, 2011, 03:45 PM
    Her work for the 99% speaks for itself.
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    Nov 7, 2011, 05:11 PM
    THey aren't 99% of anything... except the lazy bums and idiots...

    I'm not one of their 1%, and I cerrtainly am not of their 99% thus their math is faulty.

    I'm a member of the 53%.
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    Nov 8, 2011, 07:47 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by talaniman View Post
    Her work for the 99% speaks for itself.
    Yeah whatever, I find it it sweetly ironic that the "99 percent" keep finding 1 percenters to carry their water... Michael Moore, Kanye West (sporting a $300 shirt, $1000 jeans and all kinds of gold bling), Elizabeth Warren, Susan Sarandon, Russell Brand, MC Hammer, Rosanne Barr and the most ironic as tom noted - the guy who does the Capital One ads - Alec Baldwin.
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    Nov 8, 2011, 08:00 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by speechlesstx View Post
    Yeah whatever, I find it it sweetly ironic that the "99 percent" keep finding 1 percenters to carry their water...
    Hello again, Steve:

    I thought you believed in the free market. It's true. It WOULD be better if I was the face of the movement... I can inspire... I know the issues.. I'm handsome.. But, Alec Baldwin is cool too..

    Again, you're concentrating on the messenger instead of the message... Rich people can be pissed off. I'm rich. I'm pissed off. I march. I have a job. I just want the banksters, who RIPPED ME OFF, to go to jail... Even Reagan put the banksters in jail.

    In fact, I'm pissed off at the SAME people the tea party is pissed off at. THEY, along with YOU got ripped off too.

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    #91

    Nov 8, 2011, 08:25 AM
    Sure, anyone can be pissed off, but if you're going to build a movement specifically targeting a group of people you've labeled the "1 percent", it looks pretty silly having representatives from your target.
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    #92

    Nov 8, 2011, 08:48 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by speechlesstx View Post
    it looks pretty silly having representatives from your target.
    Hello again, Steve:

    Since the start, the right wing has mis-assessed who the people are, and what their target is. You should STOP listening to them, for they know not what they speak.

    You should listen to ME, because I am one... But, you'd rather listen to the limp one. I don't know why.

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    #93

    Nov 8, 2011, 09:23 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by excon View Post
    Hello again, Steve:

    Since the start, the right wing has mis-assessed who the people are, and what their target is. You should STOP listening to them, for they know not what they speak.

    You should listen to ME, because I am one... But, you'd rather listen to the limp one. I dunno why.
    LOL, I don't listen to the "limp one." I used to but my local station got rid of the two guys I liked so I told them they sucked and I listen to the Eagle all day at work now - I could fit right in with the occupiers.

    P.S. Did you enjoy your short reign as number 1?
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    Nov 8, 2011, 09:26 AM
    In defense of Baldwin (I can't believe I said that ) . He did make a statement to the OWS telling them we should not abandon capitalism... a random act of reason .
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    #95

    Nov 8, 2011, 11:06 AM
    Obama is a 1%er He has over 10 Million dollars.

    So is Al Gore, Bill Clinton... Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, George Soros and most of the Democrat party.
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    #96

    Nov 8, 2011, 11:34 AM
    Who said all the one percent have to be greedy hoarders of money? Despite some saying to the contrary, most rich people don't care about taxes going up, because they still have enough to make more money with.

    Seems to be those darn ultra conservatives that need to make more poor people, and shrink government so they can run things the way they want it. The whole point is to restore circulation to the financial system, and not let the wall street elites continue to poison the global economy.

    What the righties have yet to figure out is the effect they have on real people, in the drive to make corporations the masters of governments and people across the globe. That's not capitalism, its domination, and has been the goal of the republican party for decades. That's the new world order, and ordinary republicans in this country are dismissing the fact that most people just ain't going for it.

    Its real simple, instead of continuing to suck ALL the money out of the economy, with wall street gadgets, instead of privatizing and controlling all the social institutions that protects its citizens which is 99 percent of the world, not just America, so we to start putting more value on people, their conditions and needs,and restore circulation, so that the rest of us can have opportunities to lead decent productive lives, by getting wall streets hands from around our throats.

    Congressional republicans need to see that they work for the 99%, not just the 1% who is hoarding the money. You righties are so fond of saying that half the country pays no taxes, a false hood in of itself, but ignore completely WHY half the country is in poverty, and sinking fast.

    But I guess you see nothing wrong with a nation of dish washers, maids, and cotton pickers, who shuffle along and drink foul water, no doctors, breathe foul air, and are ruled by corporations with no responsibilities to clean up their own messes.
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    #97

    Nov 8, 2011, 11:40 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by talaniman View Post
    Who said all the one percent have to be greedy hoarders of money? Despite some saying to the contrary, most rich people don't care about taxes going up, because they still have enough to make more money with.

    Seems to be those darn ultra conservatives that need to make more poor people, and shrink government so they can run things the way they want it. The whole point is to restore circulation to the financial system, and not let the wall street elites continue to poison the global economy.

    What the righties have yet to figure out is the effect they have on real people, in the drive to make corporations the masters of governments and people across the globe. Thats not capitalism, its domination, and has been the goal of the republican party for decades. Thats the new world order, and ordinary republicans in this country are dismissing the fact that most people just ain't going for it.

    Its real simple, instead of continuing to suck ALL the money out of the economy, with wall street gadgets, instead of privatizing and controlling all the social institutions that protects its citizens which is 99 percent of the world, not just America, so we to start putting more value on people, their conditions and needs,and restore circulation, so that the rest of us can have opportunities to lead decent productive lives, by getting wall streets hands from around our throats.

    Congressional republicans need to see that they work for the 99%, not just the 1% who is hoarding the money. You righties are so fond of saying that half the country pays no taxes, a false hood in of itself, but ignore completely WHY half the country is in poverty, and sinking fast.

    But I guess you see nothing wrong with a nation of dish washers, maids, and cotton pickers, who shuffle along and drink foul water, no doctors, breathe foul air, and are ruled by corporations with no responsibilities to clean up their own messes.
    You do understand the benchmark of every Liberal argument isn't valid, thus their arguments aren't valid.

    Creation of wealth is not a ZERO Sum gain... someone doesn't have to get poorer for someone else to get richer.
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    Nov 8, 2011, 11:47 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    In defense of Baldwin (I can't believe I said that ) . He did make a statement to the OWS telling them we should not abandon capitalism....a random act of reason .
    Good for him. I imagine he enjoys his capitalist profits from representing Capital One and doesn't want to endanger that.
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    Nov 8, 2011, 12:01 PM
    QUOTE by smoothy;
    You do understand the benchmark of every Liberal argument isn't valid, thus their arguments aren't valid.
    Conservative arguments are valid because they support complete slavery to corporations. They are only valid to you, because I reject their premise and misrepresentations of facts. Repeating lies doesn't make it true.

    Creation of wealth is not a ZERO Sum gain... someone doesn't have to get poorer for someone else to get richer.
    Yes it is, rich people create wealth for themselves, they pay you as less as possible to do so because they need your labor, and set the value of that labor. They tell YOU what you are worth to them to create wealth for themselves. That's slavery, as a slave cannot talk to master about compensation, safety, or benefits or his own value. That's what makes him a slave.

    That's what they hate about unions, it gives the slave an effective voice for his own value.
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    Nov 8, 2011, 12:15 PM
    Liberal arguments promote serfdom to the state.

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