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    #1

    Sep 21, 2011, 05:35 PM
    Troy Davis
    Anyone been following this case, and the drama surrounding the calls for a stay of execution tonight?

    http://m.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/s...d&type=article
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    Sep 21, 2011, 05:39 PM
    Hello Q:

    Sure. He has a temporary stay, but I think it'll expire and they'll do him in...

    It's really a bummer when they make you serve what is ordinarily a LIFE sentence, and THEN they kill you...

    excon
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    Sep 21, 2011, 06:07 PM
    I'm watching it on MSNBC right now. Seems like there's enough controversy and conflicting evidence to throw out the execution verdict.
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    Sep 21, 2011, 06:12 PM
    Trouble is that he has really ran out of every appeal and everything he can do. Remember merely being no guilty is not enough to get a new trial or be released in US courts.

    The board of pardons ruled today not to do anything,

    I actually have meet him about 12 or 13 years ago.

    I don't believe in the death penalty
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    Sep 21, 2011, 06:32 PM
    Yes ;a dozen courts hearing appeals tend to delay the final execution. Imagine the outcry if he was not given those appeal opportunities.

    Davis had a busy night the day of his crime. Having already shot a man in the face earlier ,he and a fellow thug proceeded to Burger King where he pistol whipped a vagrant. Officer Mark MacPhail ;working at night as a security guard ,attempted to stop the assault. Davis ran and then shot and wounded McPhail. Not content with his deed ;Davis stood over the wounded officer and shot him to death execution style . McPhail never had the chance to draw his weapon..

    This murder was witnessed by 34 people in a busy Burger King parking lot. Some of them have recanted their testimony .Most of the witnesses have stuck to their testimony .
    Physical evidence in the form of blood stained clothes were also found in the home of Davis' mother .This was ruled inadmissable because of a technicallity about a search warrant even though his mother invited officers in to search her home. Fine ;that's a part of the process. But the preponderance of eye witness testimony discounting the recants still convicts him in my opinion.

    This is obviously not a case of guilt or innocence. It is only a question of should there be a death penalty . This case won't change any minds .
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    Sep 21, 2011, 07:17 PM
    Sounds like a suitable case for treatment or in this case execution
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    Sep 21, 2011, 08:31 PM
    I think this thing raises more questions than it answers, and its just the beginning.
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    Sep 21, 2011, 08:44 PM
    11:08PM EDT. Dead from Lethal Injection
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    Sep 22, 2011, 04:15 AM
    Of note ;Not one SCOTUS judge was in favor of staying the execution after deliberating on the issue for 4 hrs.

    Btw ;Texas also executed Lawrence Russell Brewer. That b@st@rd and his friends picked up James Byrd ;beat him to unconsciousness , urinated on his body ,and dragged him behind their pick up truck for 3 miles to death. Forensic evidence showed that he was alive for most of the assault until the truck hit a concrete drainage channel causing Byrd's head and arm to be ripped from his body.

    Lethal injection was the humane way to treat that rabid dog.
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    Sep 22, 2011, 05:12 AM
    The timing on this is interesting for me at least. I just finished reading this:

    John Grisham The Confession

    I'm now wondering is Grisham had Davis in mind when he wrote. It.
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    Sep 22, 2011, 06:52 PM
    The justice systems must be upheld. In this case the prosecutor was sure of the evidence irrespective of the protestations of the convicted person and the courts upheld the verdict after exhaustive appeals. What is deplorable is the length of time the process took.
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    Sep 23, 2011, 12:36 PM
    Many states have banned the death penalty, and I think that number will grow, and is probably the only way an innocent will not die because of a flawed process. No matter where, or what the flaw is.

    I don't know if this guy did it or not, or the reasons other than given why he was denied. But I have seen enough cases the last few years to know that he sure had a lot of support for clemency, and from some former republican officials to make me think it was more about politics, and perception, than actual evidentury review.
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    Sep 23, 2011, 04:06 PM
    Yeah Davis and Mumia... cop killers do become cause celeb .
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    Sep 23, 2011, 05:17 PM
    Whether he did or not doesn't seem to be the issue, maybe the other fellow did it and fitted him up but he never claimed that. This is all about the death penalty as if keeping him in jail for ever actually achieves a purpose.
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    Sep 24, 2011, 10:48 AM
    Keeps you safe without killing, and if he didn't do it, someone else did, and that's the one that's dangerous right? When Troy Davis died, the quest for the truth, and REAL justice died with him.

    That's the REAL danger.
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    Sep 24, 2011, 02:50 PM
    Yeah 34 witnesses all got it wrong... and Mumia didn't kill officer Daniel Faulkner .
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    Sep 24, 2011, 03:58 PM
    So the courts are always right, and innocent people don't get executed? My point Tom, is no one should be executed.
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    Sep 24, 2011, 04:06 PM
    Of course that is the essence of the debate... I wrote as much in comment 5
    This is obviously not a case of guilt or innocence. It is only a question of should there be a death penalty . This case won't change any minds .
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    Sep 24, 2011, 06:39 PM
    Tal

    There are people who forfieted the right to live on this Earth because they have no regard for the lives of others, you cannot say no one should be executed.

    Ask yourself would you have executed Hitler? Pol Pot? Did you think the nuclear bombing of Japan justified? What would you have done with Bin Laden?
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    Sep 24, 2011, 07:10 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by paraclete View Post
    Ask yourself would you have executed Hitler? Pol Pot? Did you think the nuclear bombing of Japan justified? What would you have done with Bin Laden?
    Hello clete:

    Wow... You're a confused laddie, aren't you? You're a Christian, yet you don't understand commitment... Are you committed to Jesus until somebody better comes along?? Sounds like it.. How come you can't understand somebody with a commitment? You're probably against torture, UNLESS the guy is really really bad.. You're probably against capital punishment UNLESS the guy is really really bad.

    Makes no sense to a guy like me.

    excon

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