[cdad]

Just in case you never heard of the idea before.

Algae and Energy Independence

[smoothy]

Business people don't care about regulations or taxes. They care about money. They don't care about people and jobs. They care about money. They aren't creating jobs, because they are making money.

Its crazy believing they want anything but more money. calling a business man a job creator is crazy, since they want to make money whether you do or not, and with or without you, whatever is cheaper.

If they need a few more bucks, then you get laid off. Ever notice that stocks go up when workers get canned??? Wonder why that is??

Isn't the entire purpose of a job... and a business... to make money and a profit?

[Wondergirl]

Isn't the entire purpose of a job....and a business........to make money and a profit?

But not to create more jobs?

[talaniman]

Isn't the entire purpose of a job....and a business........to make money and a profit?

Yes it is, but to rely on them or even pass them off as job creators is a fallacy and no excuse to cater to them as something other than what they are.

Hell they have had tax breaks and loopholes and a free ride for over 10 years and haven't created jobs for all the profits they have made. Hey just keep it real, job creators my arse. Profit makers is what they are and what they will be no matter who gets paid.

Just ask your boss why YOU are there.

Answer, to make him money>

Stop making him money, and you are out of there with a quickness.

[smoothy]

But not to create more jobs?

If you don't make money and a profit... you can't hire more workers to make more money and profit. Unless they are willing to work free until there is a profit to pay their wages from.

[smoothy]

Yes it is, but to rely on them or even pass them off as job creators is a fallacy and no excuse to cater to them as something other than what they are.

Hell they have had tax breaks and loopholes and a free ride for over 10 years and haven't created jobs for all the profits they have made. hey just keep it real, job creators my arse. Profit makers is what they are and what they will be no matter who gets paid.

Just ask your boss why YOU are there.

Answer, to make him money>

Stop making him money, and you are out of there with a quickness.

Its falacy? How many jobs are project dwellers and welfare rats creating? How many jobs are the people that pay no federal taxes now thanks to tax breaks and deductions creating. The answer is simple... NONE. They aren't the job creators... they are the leaches on society.

[talaniman]

You get kicked out of your job, and you will be a leach on society too.

Poverty is the problem, not the people in it.

[smoothy]

You get kicked out of your job, and you will be a leach on society too.

Poverty is the problem, not the people in it.

SO... the lazy bums in the projects with a dozen kids from as many women and men that never worked a job in their life or finished high school are looked up to in the liberal world ?

What excuse exactly is sufficient to quitting high school? Besides cutting into the dope dealing time at night?

[talaniman]

Dealing dope is a full time paying job, and a part of the underground economy. Its been that way for centuries, in many cultures, and governments.

I don't have to agree with it to acknowledge its existence. You didn't answer my question, what would you do with no job??

And a new one, what would you do about the poor folks? And don't say shoot 'em.

[smoothy]

You are dodging MY point and trying to deflect the fact I commented on people that specifically made the lifestyle choices to be project dwellers. By dropping out of high school because it impacted their desire to sleep in and not break a sweat.

The temporarily unemployed have NOTHING in common with the chronically lazy high school dropouts. The former will be back to work shortly after Obama gets his butt whooped the next election... the latter will still be doing what they always did.

[talaniman]

You are dodging my question.

[speechlesstx]

New report cites 'regulatory tsunami' under Obama

The number and scope of federal regulations, along with the costs of those regulations and the number of federal regulators, are all growing despite an executive order from President Obama that was touted as a measure to curb over-regulation, according to a new report by the House Government Oversight and Reform Committee.

The report says the Obama administration has "imposed 75 new major regulations costing more than $380 billion over ten years." In addition, the report says there are 219 more "economically significant regulations" in the works which will cost businesses $100 million or more each year -- for a minimum cost of $21 billion over ten years. The number of pages in the Federal Register, in which such rules are recorded, is increasing rapidly, the report says, and "pages devoted to final rules rose by 20 percent between 2009 and 2010, and proposed rules have increased from 2,044 in 2009 to 2,439 in 2010."

"The Obama administration has created a regulatory environment that is suffocating America's entrepreneurs' ability to create jobs and grow business," writes committee chairman Rep. Darrell Issa, Republican from California. "The result has been a regulatory tsunami that has stifled productivity, wages, job creation and economic growth."

Just sayin'

[talaniman]

I would have to see the regulations before I took Darrel Issas word for it.

Regulations.gov

Fouling the Air at TXI

There is regulation, then there is regulation. How soon we forget the BP oil spill, or the battery plant in Plano, Texas.

[smoothy]

You are dodging my question.

I answered it... read what I wrote again.

[speechlesstx]

I would have to see the regulations before I took Darrel Issas word for it.

Regulations.gov

Fouling the Air at TXI

There is regulation, then there is regulation. How soon we forget the BP oil spill, or the battery plant in Plano, Texas.

You do realize it is not just a bunch of Republicans on the Committee on Oversight and Government Reform? Did the Dems sign off on the report, too?

[excon]

Hello Steve:

Regulations AREN'T a partisan issue. Rules work for right wingers too. Or, maybe they don't. Nobody has answered my earlier question, so I thought I'd ask it again...

Obviously, right wingers don't like regulations/rules for business. They say that businessmen have an INCENTIVE NOT to poison somebody, because they'd go out of business if they did, so they don't need no stinkin regulations about poisoning people... Sheesh... What is it about business that these pinko liberals don't understand??

But, when it comes to personal behavior, you seem to lose your faith that PEOPLE will act in themselves interest... So, you enact LOTS and LOTS of regulations/laws governing personal behavior and enforce them with vigor...

Now this is where my confusion comes in... Seems to me, that PEOPLE are running corporations, aren't they?

excon

[speechlesstx]

And you keep throwing up that straw man that I believe regulations are inherently evil for corporations. No, there has to be rules. But I think we both agreed that trying to discern and comply with government regulations is burdensome enough, now we have 20 percent more incomprehensible nonsense to deal with? Not good, unless you're a lawyer, an accountant or government employee.

[excon]

But I think we both agreed that trying to discern and comply with government regulations is burdensome enough

Hello again, Steve:

True... But, we need to discern WHO is telling us that too. It SHOULDN'T be that way. But, political objectives get in the way of good governance... For example, some on your side with to do away with the EPA. You might even be one of those.. I don't know.

excon

[speechlesstx]

Hello again, Steve:

True... But, we need to discern WHO is telling us that too. It SHOULDN'T be that way. But, political objectives get in the way of good governance... For example, some on your side with to do away with the EPA. You might even be one of those.. I dunno.

Contrary to your often mistaken opinion, I don't like trash in my air. Or in my water, my yard or flying in my trees. But you do know the EPA has turned one of our most productive agricultural areas into a desert because of some stinkin' little fish don't you?

[tomder55]

All I know is that I'd hate to be a small business owner trying to get the credit necessary for day to day operations ;let alone expansion.
The European banking crisis prolongs the problems that began with the unwise bailout of the "banks too big to fail ".

President Obama is correct in saying (ad nausium) that he did not cause this freezing of capital . But his policy of printing money and giving it away to prop up states budgets and "save" state jobs was a complete failure ;which he foolishly plans on duplicating .

Regulations ? No... it's excess regulations that are a problem . The way I see it in my industry is that the more burdensome regulation get , there is ,the more consolidation of the industry into fewer hands. My bosses rented a modest factory and worked it with their families. With today's rules that is an impossibilty .I will never have the opportunity to open a shop the way they did.