[speechlesstx]

It's part of his strategy.

Here's his reelection strategy, more of the same. Vague talking points, generalizations and deflections

"I think the key is not to get too bogged down in detail," the president said last night.

"If somebody asks about taxes, nobody is really interested in hearing what precise marginal tax rate change would you like to see in the tax code," Obama said. "What they want to know is that our campaign stands for a fair, just approach to the tax code that says everybody has to chip in, and that it’s not right if a hedge fund manager is being taxed at a lower rate than his or her secretary."

Of course he doesn't want anyone to get bogged down in detail because just like his debt 'crisis' he has no details other than "send me your money and send me back to Washington so I can finish screwing America up, er... fixing Bush's mess".

Sorry Mr. President, we're not buying it. We want to know exactly what everyone's "fair share" is.

[Wondergirl]

Of course he doesn't want anyone to get bogged down in detail because just like his debt 'crisis' he has no details other than "send me your money and send me back to Washington so I can finish screwing America up, er... fixing Bush's mess".

Which Republican candidate do you suggest I support? Why?

[speechlesstx]

I'm not endorsing anyone yet, but I will probably end up supporting Perry and why? Best chance for a Republican to beat Obama and hopefully end this slide to the nanny state.

[talaniman]

Texas has been a nanny state since GWB, and that's all we need is another Texas Republican governor in the White House. Didn't we learn our lesson of only a few years ago?

[speechlesstx]

A seat belt law doesn't quite make us a nanny state.

[Wondergirl]

What about Susan Combs who instituted a state policy limiting sweet treats and fatty foods in elementary schools?

What about the new bill that requires women seeking an abortion to have a sonogram and hear a detailed description of the fetus and be presented images and heartbeats and then have to wait 24 hours before having an abortion unless they live more than 100 miles from an abortion facility?

[speechlesstx]

What about Susan Combs who instituted a state policy limiting sweet treats and fatty foods in elementary schools?

Yeah well, we still allow cupcakes for birthday parties. I don't consider rules on serving healthy foods in public schools a nanny state. True, I think it ridiculous to ban potatoes but that's a vegetable for crying out loud. But it IS a public school and it is subject to rules.

What about the new bill that requires women seeking an abortion to have a sonogram and hear a detailed description of the fetus and be presented images and heartbeats and then have to wait 24 hours before having an abortion unless they live more than 100 miles from an abortion facility?

100 percent for it. You can call it a nanny state, I call it a reasonable effort to protect the most vulnerable among us. Protecting babies is a GOOD thing.

Otherwise, how did we become a nanny state under Bush?

[Wondergirl]

Yeah well, we still allow cupcakes for birthday parties. I don't consider rules on serving healthy foods in public schools a nanny state. True, I think it ridiculous to ban potatoes but that's a vegetable for crying out loud. But it IS a public school and it is subject to rules.

No one has banned potatoes, or even fries.

100 percent for it. You can call it a nanny state, I call it a reasonable effort to protect the most vulnerable among us. Protecting babies is a GOOD thing.

Who's going to take care of those babies (i.e. feed, clothe, pay for dr. visits, etc.) once they're born?

[speechlesstx]

No one has banned potatoes, or even fries.

How could you forget this?

Who's going to take care of those babies (i.e. feed, clothe, pay for dr. visits, etc.) once they're born?

Yawn...

You ask that every time, and it assumes that no one wants to take care of and love and provide for all those kids. Give them a chance.

[Wondergirl]

You ask that every time, and it assumes that no one wants to take care of and love and provide for all those kids. Give them a chance.

Their young teen mothers? (read the Teen and Pregnancy boards on this site)

[speechlesstx]

Their young teen mothers? (read the Teen and Pregnancy boards on this site)

And their parents and grandparents. I'm a dad whose daughter aborted our grandchild before we knew we had one, but you're to be forgiven if you've forgotten.

Perhaps if she had to see a sonogram first she might have had second thoughts and called us. She is today still devastated by her "choice" and her parents would have given anything to raise that child if she wasn't willing or able. All of us wish we could hold that child in our arms today and just shower him or her with love. I don't need to read the boards, I've lived it.

[Wondergirl]

I don't need to read the boards, I've lived it.

But not all grandparents are willing or physically/financially able to care for their children's children. Then what?

[speechlesstx]

But not all grandparents are willing or physically/financially able to care for their children's children. Then what?

I'm not having this argument. Give the kids a chance, all the what ifs are a silly game.

[Wondergirl]

I'm not having this argument. Give the kids a chance, all the what ifs are a silly game.

Unfortunately, they aren't "what if"s. Thus the public assistance checks going out to young teen mothers.

[speechlesstx]

Unfortunately, they aren't "what if"s. Thus the public assistance checks going out to young teen mothers.

The only "what if: that's relevant in my view is "what if the child never gets a chance at life"? A child's life is immeasurably valuable, but I thought I made that clear from my experience.

[excon]

A seat belt law doesn't quite make us a nanny state.

Hello again, Steve:

The fact that you LIKE this massive intervention of the nanny state into our private lives, doesn't make it any less NANNYLIKE.

It's like the term loophole... One mans loophole is another mans legitimate deduction... We've had a discussion over your mortgage deduction LOOPHOLE, haven't we?

excon

[talaniman]

The only "what if: that's relevant in my view is "what if the child never gets a chance at life"? A child's life is immeasurably valuable, but I thought I made that clear from my experience.

I'm sorry you had to go through that painful experience. I can understand your empathy for those in the same situation. But you shouldn't force others to make the choices you were denied. I am as against abortions as you are, but I have also seen the devastation first hand, a child raised without love, hope, and caring has to endure, when the rest of the village cannot, or will not step in. True I have seen miracles happen also, but you can't ignore the bad, nor deny a person from having their own choice to make. And there own consequences to pay.

Subjecting anyone to measures to force a choice from them could be done in much better ways, with FACTS, and instruction, but not obstruction. To stop access of all female health issues because you disagree about abortion is plain unfair, and choice is legal.

Stopping breast cancer screening, to stop abortions, is just plain wrong. I can get with free contraceptives though, since abstinence only works for those that practice it. Maybe you should read some of the stories in teens, and pregnancy. UNBELIEVABLE.

[speechlesstx]

Hello again, Steve:

The fact that you LIKE this massive intervention of the nanny state into our private lives, doesn't make it any less NANNYLIKE.

I see it quite differently of course. You can't seem to make up your mind if you like regulation or not yourself, but I think you do. I think you like all kinds of regulations. This isn't exactly a "massive intervention," no one is preventing anyone from having an abortion. It's furnishing women with INFORMATION, the kind that the abortion industry doesn't want them to have. Women can't make an informed "choice" if they don't have all the information, can they?

[speechlesstx]

I'm sorry you had to go thru that painful experience. I can understand your empathy for those in the same situation. But you shouldn't force others to make the choices you were denied.

I have no need to go any further with your response because you veered into nonsense so early. I'm not forcing anyone to make the choices I was denied. I just said give the child a chance, I'm asking, not forcing.

[excon]

It's furnishing women with INFORMATION, the kind that the abortion industry doesn't want them to have. Women can't make an informed "choice" if they don't have all the information, can they?

Hello again, Steve:

Whoa there, podner... Putting up a BROCHURE rack would be "furnishing" the women with information... FORCING them to sit for a PRO LIFE lecture, is anything BUT "furnishing" information... It presumes an adult women is incapable of making up her OWN mind. It's INSULTING, it's INTRUSIVE, and it's ILLEGAL.

But, I now I understand HOW you want YOUR nanny state to work.. Put people in a room and FORCE 'em to listen to you... DUDE!

excon