[talaniman]

They aren't fat cats, they are job creators! Didn't you get the memo from Karl Rove??

[paraclete]

I think it is time to point out the sub normal intelligence of the US politicians, this is a rediculicous situation which has implications not only for the US but for the world. I also want to point out the subnormal and arrogant attitude of US financial reporters who say what does it matter if the world wants to invest its money elsewhere, they have nowhere to go. Goodbye america its been nice to know you

[excon]

I also want to point out the subnormal and arrogant attitude of US financial reporters who say what does it matter if the world wants to invest its money elsewhere, they have nowhere to go.

Hello again, clete:

You MUST realize that the subnormal financial reporters your refer to, are RIGHT WING IDEOLOGUES, who want to give COVER to their tea party brethren. Certainly, any INTELLIGENT and NORMAL financial reporter knows what will happen if the world abandons the dollar as its currency.

excon

[paraclete]

Hello again, clete:

You MUST realize that the subnormal financial reporters your refer to, are RIGHT WING IDEOLOGUES, who want to give COVER to their tea party brethren. Certainly, any INTELLIGENT and NORMAL financial reporter knows what will happen if the world abandons the dollar as its currency.

excon

What is it you think will happen, EX, the dollar has proven to be remarkedly unstable recently? If your press is right wing as you suggest, why is this? I think what we are seeing is the B/S barometer reaching new heights. You have come to believe your own B/S, too big to fail? No one is too big to fail, we are not going to save you, China is not going to save you, the EU is not going to save you. I'll make you an offer; ten cents for the lot, in fact ten cents US it costs me less. China has already moved to position the Renimbi as a reserve currency. Do they know something we don't?

You do know that the reports I speak of originate in the US broadcast to the world. What sort of dills do you think it makes you look?

[talaniman]

Relax Clete, if you check we haven't asked for any help, and if what goes on in the rest of the world scares people, well that's up to them what they do with there fear. Here we have our battles and deal with whatever, and its no different now.

So what if we fail? Doesn't mean we will just quit! Doesn't mean we will just stop trying. We have been challenged before, and will be challenged again, so if you want to burn the dollar and buy gold or whatever else looks good, no matter what happens, America always handles its own business.

Scary I know, but our history is one of overcoming all odds, and obstacles, and we will overcome this too.

Bet against us, and let me know how that works for you! And relax, I wouldn't let your fear get you carried away, and you do something drastic.

What you never seen chaos happen when getting your house in order?

[tomder55]

Don't worry... Speaker Bonehead is going the ram rod a 1 billion a year debt reduction for 10 years while approving an immediate increase in spending to exceed a billion.. This is the same garbage he gave us with the 'Continuing Resolution' .
To make it sicker ;the Reid Senate will vote it down and vote for their version of it and send it back to the House. Then no doubt Speaker Bonehead will say "this is the best we can do" and will whip the TP into line. He is haunted by memories of his youth when the compliant press wrote headlines like :The Gingrich that stole Christmas.
The TP should keep this year in mind and take more care about who they help become Speaker.Repubics need not apply.

[speechlesstx]

He is haunted by memories of his youth when the compliant press wrote headlines like :The Gingrich that stole Christmas.

Funny you should say that.

GOP aims to gut Christmas, White House alleges

[paraclete]

Tom I don't get thus a $ 4 billion reduction was on the table and they passed it up now you say they will settle for a token $ 1 billion. You don't seem to have a two party system operating over there so without experience in operating in a multi party environment you seem to have nowhere to go. A saying developed over here a year or so ago "we have lost our way" you can lend it to the Republicans if you like

[talaniman]

That's trillions, Clete, not billions.

[tomder55]

No according to the latest version of the Speaker Bonehead plan ; these fools are going for a piddling 8.5 Billion a year in cuts... but only 1 Billion in 2012 .
That means in a decade we will cu spending enough to pay back the Obama bucket list 'Recovery Act' .
In return they will increase the debt ceiling by a trillion... In other words the cuts are meaninless.
If the TP goes along with this they are nuts. That is not cutting the size of government... it's not even really slowing it down.

[talaniman]

The Tea party is now holding the repubs hostage, and setting themselves up to be the fall guy for a government default. Rookie mistakes as the far right thinks that they can bully there way to starving the government, to promote there own agenda of the good old days, of small weak government, and every state can have slavery if they wanted it for the good of the poor fools they enslaved.

I mean who else would try and take advantage of a weak recovery from the recession, to make more people poor and helpless, because of the guy in the white house happens to be a democrat and his spending on things that help ordinary folks survive the devastation laid on them by the very folks that stole the money in the first place.

I don't see anyone from the right doing a darn thing to get the money back, or returning the dignity or self respect to those that actually work for a living. Indeed all we have seen since 2010 have been the kind of protectionism that led to the most massive redistribution of wealth this nation has ever seen, and the sad part is, the right will suffer along with the ones they have failed to protect, and vilify as the real problem.

Is all of this worth a default, or another recession?? Heck, if they were serious about lowering the deficit, and the debt, they would have let the Bush Tax cuts go. But NO, they held unemployment hostage to keep those tax cuts for their masters.

What an honor, no Army or outside force could bring America to its knees, but the Tea party will, or they will try.

[paraclete]

Yeh Tal stupidity will do it every time

[talaniman]

If they were serious, they would have raised the debt ceiling with a 4 trillion dollar infrastructure jobs bill that partnered with the private sector for 10 years.

Hey, did I just solve the debt, the economy, and unemployment, with a few strokes of the keyboard?? FOR FREE!? :eek:

[paraclete]

If they were serious, they would have raised the debt ceiling with a 4 trillion dollar infrastructure jobs bill that partnered with the private sector for 10 years.

Hey, did I just solve the debt, the economy, and unemployment, with a few strokes of the keyboard??? FOR FREE!!!!????? :eek:

Well done Tal but the repubs see that sort of thing as pork they want to withdraw 4 trillion from such projects, that would be an 8 trillion saving on your budget

[talaniman]

Actually I must confess that the Democratic house already had the idea,

Democrats promise jobs bill

Job-creating ideas include additional help for small business, more road and bridge spending, and extending business tax breaks slated to expire at the end of the year, according to spokespersons for Speaker Nancy Pelosi of California and Majority Whip Jim Clyburn of South Carolina.

A per-job tax credit for businesses making new hires is also under consideration, as is help for financially struggling state and local governments.

Senator Reid tees up 2010 jobs bill - TheHill.com

But of course repubs hollered too much money, and we see the result. Hmm, that's also what happened in the 1929 depression. Repubs fought Roosevelt tooth, and nail on everything, until the war came along.

[speechlesstx]

Cross posted from another thread:

Don't you worry folks, the leader of the chamber that hasn't put forth any budget resolution as required by law for over 800 days is going to swoop in to save the day.

Calling his plan “the last train out of the station,” Reid said there are only hours to act before Tuesday’s Treasury deadline, so he plans to file a procedural motion Friday to move towards a final vote in the next few days.

“That is why, by the end of the day today, I must take action on the Senate’s compromise legislation,” he said.

The man who hasn't done his job in over two years is going to save us. I wonder if he's going to push the best known plan out there , the non-existent Obama plan.

[Wondergirl]

the non-existent Obama plan.

It's not Obama's responsibility to come up with a plan. It's the responsibility of the House, and then the Senate deals with it. If they approve it, it goes to Obama for signing or vetoing.

[speechlesstx]

It's not Obama's responsibility to come up with a plan. It's the responsibility of the House, and then the Senate deals with it. If they approve it, it goes to Obama for signing or vetoing.

It is the president's job to lead, but when it comes to leadership Obama is apparently supposed to get a pass?

He's talked about his plan, his press secretary is touting his plan, his adviser is discussing his plan, the media is finally asking about his plan, what's his plan? If you talk up your plan you'd be wise to actually have one, otherwise you're just full of...

[Wondergirl]

It is the president's job to lead

But that's not his responsibility, to dictate what plan the House comes up with. The members of the House are fully cognizant of what needs to be done, so they hope their well-crafted plan passes the Senate.

Why should Obama have a plan? That's not his job to create one. It's the job of the Congress that represents the American citizens.

[excon]

Hello again,

Obama: Country, we need to take out the trash.

Tea Party: Yeah, but we want some stuff before we let you..

Obama: But, the trash is beginning to stink... Let me get rid of it.

Tea Party: Nope. We're not going to let you do it, unless you agree to our terms.

Obama: Ok, I'll give you cuts, but gimme a little tax.

Tea Party: Nope. We're going to destroy the world as we know it, unless you bow to our demands...

Obama: But, the trash is really beginning to stink.

Obama: Ok, here's you cuts.. Now, can we take out the trash?

Tea Party: Nope. We want MORE, or we're going to bring IN some trash..

Obama: Won't you compromise?

Tea Party: Sure, we'll compromise.. We'll LETyou take the trash out, if you GIVE us what we want...

Obama: But, taking out the trash is as good for YOU as it is for ME, isn't it?

Tea Party: Nope. It's YOUR trash, and we can't smell it anyway. Besides, we hear it'll disappear if we ignore it.

Obama: So, you're doing ME a favor by LETTING me take out OUR trash...

Tea Party: That's the way it is. Besides, after we thought about it, it's not OUR trash either. It's YOURS! We disown it.

excon