[excon]

Hello:

Tom wanted a thread about this guy. Ok. What can you say about him? Pat Buchanan say's he's RIGHT, ceptin for the shooting... Guess there'll be more.

excon

[tomder55]

Pat's an idiot. It's like the Greenies saying Ted Kaczynski was right .

[southamerica]

In no way do these means justify any ends (an end that I disagree with anyway since I think Muslims are just fine, for a Muslim is not necessarily and in most cases absolutely is NOT a terrorist).

ANYWAY... so this guy is on the "right" in Norway, and now people are comparing his "right" extremism to American "right" extremist.

The "right" that he formerly subscribed to and since left because it was too extreme was Populism and Conservative Liberalism. Progress Party.

Soooo... perspective please.

Back to the basics: his actions sicken me, and I believe him to be worthy of the worst kind of punishment of which Norway is capable. Maybe Viking torture? In all seriousness, his lawyers are saying he's insane... well duh. I say all the more reason to lock him up and isolate him forever. Scumbag.

[tomder55]

and I believe him to be worthy of the worst kind of punishment of which Norway is capable

I believe that would be 21 years in jail as a max sentence .

[Curlyben]

If they decide to try him with Crimes Against Humanity the sentence is 30 years..

I think mass murder on this scale certainly comes under that heading.

Either way this "person" will not be leaving the prison system alive, either from incarceration or mental institution..

[southamerica]

Really, they're that easy on murderers? Send him to Texas...

[Curlyben]

TBH, this is one of those very rare occasions that I completely agree with Capital Punishment.

[southamerica]

TBH, this is one of those very rare occasions that I completely agree with Capital Punishment.

I am not one to think Capital Punishment is justified easily. In this case, we have massive casualties, ONE PERSON who is the clearly defined murderer, and he completely admits to it... add to his admission all of the witnesses.

He's completely, and without a doubt, guilty. He didn't instruct others to murder, he didn't do it behind closed doors. He did it in daylight, with witnesses, and he wielded THE murder weapon.

He should fry.

[excon]

Hello again,

Here's what Glenn Beck had to say.. I guess he agrees with Pat.

"There was a shooting at a political camp," Beck said dismissively of last week's events, "which sounds a little like, you know, the Hitler youth. I mean, who does a camp for kids that's all about politics? Disturbing. "

I don't know why I shouldn't use this thread to beat up on the right wing crazy's... They SO deserve it.

excon

[southamerica]

By all means, Excon.

I just mean to say that Norway's right isn't America's right.

Apparently Norway's punishment isn't America's either >: (

[excon]

I just mean to say that Norway's right isn't America's right.

Hello again, sa:

You're absolutely right... They LOVE their universal health care. You hear NOTHING from them about that. They don't mind paying high taxes either, because they get LOTS of governmental services...

Where they're the same, is they don't like brown people invading what they consider their WHITE country.

excon

[speechlesstx]

I dunno why I shouldn't use this thread to beat up on the right wing crazy's... They SO deserve it.

Go ahead, just be sure and beat up on the left-wing crazies, too.

[excon]

Go ahead, just be sure and beat up on the left-wing crazies, too.

Hello Steve:

I would, if they were saying the outrageous stuff the righty's are...

Here's another. They're doing their DAMNEDEST to DENY that this murderer is a CHRISTIAN, because they do NOT want the label Christian Terrorist attached to him... I don't blame 'em.

BUT, I'm reading in his manifesto that he's going to be PRAYING to God while he's doing his KILLING... I guess, you could say that he's yelling the CHRISTIAN equivalent of Alla Akbar...

Here are his words verbatim: "I have not yet felt the need to ask God for strength, yet... But I'm pretty sure I will pray to God as I'm rushing through my city, guns blazing, with 100 armed system protectors pursuing me with the intention to stop and/or kill. I know there is a 80%+ chance I am going to die during the operation as I have no intention to surrender to them until I have completed all three primary objectives AND the bonus mission."

Looks like a Christian Terrorist to me..

excon

[speechlesstx]

More of his words verbatim.. he writes on page 1307 of his manifesto:

"If you have a personal relationship with Jesus Christ and God then you are a religious Christian. Myself and many more like me do not necessarily have a personal relationship with Jesus Christ and God. We do however believe in Christianity as a cultural, social, identity and moral platform. This makes us Christian.”

Generally, one must have faith in Jesus Christ to be a Christian. Believing in Christianity as "as a cultural, social, identity and moral platform" does not make one a Christian. Heck, believing in Christianity does not make one a Christian.

What's ironic is those who rush to condemn someone for associating Islam with terrorism are the same ones rushing to associate this one guy with Christianity. Now that's crazy.

P.S. Before we go on, allow me to condemn this atrocity and agree that he is a monster. Probably the only alleged "Christians" that might give this monster an atta boy are the Phelps, and they're no Christians either. That's the difference between Christians and Muslims, we all condemn terrorism. You won't find Christians rushing to praise Jesus for the murder of dozens of infidels, but it isn't hard to find Muslims praising Allah for the same.

[southamerica]

This guy and other terrorists are messed up psychos who use popular and peaceful ideals to justify their psychosis.

Why can't people separate that?

This guy is ALSO NORWEGIAN! Let's make sure to associate all Norwegians as terrorists now! OH, he's a male! All males are terrorists! Same with blondes with blue eyes... looks like my boyfriend's a terrorist.

Come on, people. Turn everything into a "YOUR political party this" and "YOUR religion that". All these threads end up the same way and it's the same conversation over and over again. Y'all are just drinking the media's kool-aid and I know you're better than that!

[southamerica]

As far as how religion plays into this whole thing... it's pretty clear to me that people are departing from the moral nature of religion when they kill each other because GOD told them to.

This guy and "Islamic" terrorists can call themselves "Christian" and "Islamic" all they want... but isn't it pretty clear to clear-minded people that they're just terrorists? I guess that goes back to the point I tried to make in my previous post.

This guy needs to be tried according to his crime: murdering massive amounts of innocent people. His reasons for doing so are moot because there is NO reason according to justice to do such a thing. Trying to argue based on those reasons isn't very logical.

A disgruntled ex-boyfriend just got 103 years in Colorado for attempting to kidnap and torture his ex, and when he got caught he attempted to kill the cop by shooting at him 3 times.

So... are ALL ex-boyfriends to be associated with this guy now? After all, they fit the bill... they're ex-boyfriends.

I don't know if I'm making my point... I just think it's all a strawman and people are allowing it to work on them.

[speechlesstx]

Ex claims he didn't drink the Koolaid but I think he did. :)

P.S. I've always separated Islamic terrorists from your garden variety Muslim, but no you cannot separate the Muslim from the terrorism if it is in done in the name of, for the glory of and for the reward from Allah. Same would be true if in fact a Christian was doing the same in the name of Jesus. This guy doesn't fit the criteria of being a Christian by his own words.

[southamerica]

ex claims he didn't drink the Koolaid but I think he did. :)

Oh, I wasn't even thinking of Ex's signature line when I said that!

Exy, that comment totally wasn't directed at YOU. It was directed at the whole conversation, here and nationally.

[cdad]

OH, he's a male! All males are terrorists!

You don't belong to N.O.W. do you? They believe that too and that all men are rapists and all sex is rape.


On the flip side this guy was playing a video game in his head. Mixed with steroids and ephedrin he was a train wreck waiting to happen. Its sad all those people had to die at his hands and I pray for their families.

[southamerica]

You dont belong to N.O.W. do you? They believe that too and that all men are rapists and all sex is rape.

Ah, jeez. Lol.

No, no. But I should have known that any ludicrous thing I say to try and make a point actually has some nutty group of people behind it.