[Synnen]

http://www.boeing.com/commercial/tou...4532-14_lg.jpg

One PART of the Everett plant.

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Notice the urban sprawl around it. The entire Seattle area is very squished because of Lake Washington, Puget Sound and the mountains around it.

There is literally no place to grow.

[Synnen]

PS--the Everett plant is the largest building in the world by volume.

[speechlesstx]

Just a note, over half of all jobs created in the U.S. in the last two years were in Texas, 262,000 jobs for a 2.9 percent increase. The president's home state added 33,900 jobs, a 0.6 percent gain.

In the last 10 years, 732,000 jobs were added in Texas - nearly 8 times more than the next best state. Arizona was second with 92,000.

I can't wait to see Obama challenge Rick Perry on jobs "saved or created."

[talaniman]

Me either since Texas had high unemployment, before the recession, and high uninsured and all those jobs created or saved still hasn't changed that fact. I find that strange indeed, almost as strange as when Bush ran for president after he was Governor

Calculated Risk: State Unemployment Rates "little changed" in June,

48% of post-recession jobs were created in Texas, which does not have a State Income Tax - The European CourierThe European Courier

It attributed Texas' success to rejecting the model that prevails in Washington, described as pushing for more unions, more central planning and higher taxes. The editorial didn't mention the impact from rising energy prices.

On Monday, Fisher spoke to Diane Rehm on National Public Radio, reiterating the same themes. He acknowledged that Texas has drawbacks, including poor social services and poor results in education.

"But something is working here, and what seems to be working here is job creation," Fisher said.

Read more: Story of Texas job growth not that simple | Mitchell Schnurman | Dallas Business, Texas ...

One word for you, OIL. Another word for you, "stimulus spending from Washington.

American Recovery and Reinvestment Act: Texas Stimulus Impact

Stimulus spending in Texas city paves roads, finances clinics and more

Texas Watchdog's roadmap of TxDOT's stimulus spending | Texas Watchdog

Forget Perry, Texas does have a good legislature, mostly. Perry tries to take credit.

[talaniman]

Here is another one for your sacred job creators. As a result of congress failing to reauthorize the FAA, 4000 workers were furloughed, and another 90,000 construction jobs are on hold.

No end in sight for FAA shutdown - politics - msnbc.com

More airlines raise fares to grab tax savings - Travel - News - msnbc.com

Partial FAA shutdown drags into fourth day - CNN.com

Seems the airline rather have the cash than create or save jobs, or pass the cash from no taxes being collect to the comsumers. So much for repubs worried about debts and deficits, but you have to admit, they are GREAT at creating them.

[paraclete]

So now you think it is a race to create the biggest deficit. I am reminded that while Nero fiddled Rome burned and this is playing out again, as a rating agency has down graded the US rating. Some may not know what this means other than higher interest rates, but it means that other organisations, states or local government may also have an immediate down grading as no one can have a higher rating than the soveriegn debt of their nation. It is a ripple down effect.http://edition.cnn.com/video/#/video....cnn?hpt=hp_t1

The US government, whether it be President or legislature, is gambling with the futures of the US people. If the goal is to deepen a depression then they will succeed. They are also gambling with the futures of other nations which may hold US securities. This is totally irresponsible

[talaniman]

I agree Clete, but you have to understand that people make money off the misery, and irresponsibility of others. It's a booming business. Ask any banker, and consider what they made of this crisis in the first place.

When bad behavior is rewarded, you get more of it. So expect more.

[paraclete]

I agree Clete, but you have to understand that people make money off the misery, and irresponsibility of others. Its a booming business. Ask any banker, and consider what they made out of this crisis in the first place.

When bad behavior is rewarded, you get more of it. So expect more.

People might make money this way Tal but it should not be a gaol to cause misery or perpetuate it. I liked your point about Texas job creation, something is working there, could be low wages, could be determination, might be more efficient use of funds. Bankers are like governments, there should be greater use of the firing squad, so that the mediocre suffer early retirement instead of being recycled

[talaniman]

LOL, actually Texas is not that unique. The unemployment rate in some areas was high before the recession. The mainstream media just never reported it. Poor people know nothing but recession/depression most of their lives, but who cares when you don't see them. The current budget crisis, only distracts us, and keeps us hot and bothered about the wrong thing. More stealing? Greedy people NEVER get enough, so they come back for more.

[paraclete]

LOL, actually Texas is not that unique. The unemployment rate in some areas was high before the recession. The mainstream media just never reported it. Poor people know nothing but recession/depression most of their lives, but who cares when you don't see them. The current budget crisis, only distracts us, and keeps us hot and bothered about the wrong thing. More stealing?? Greedy people NEVER get enough, so they come back for more.

Yes Tal and they don't like being taxed. There are a number of things that are not news unless it is election time and that is poverty, unemployment and disadvantage. The rich don't like giving to the poor unless their name is on it and there might be a tax advantage in it, this is why they are against government programs, The rich will always point to how generous they are but ask them to contribute the same amount in tax

[speechlesstx]

Here'a another one for you Tal, Obama's buddy is moving the GE x-ray division to China. Time to sic the NLRB on 'em...

[Synnen]

You know---I DO have to point out that SOME of the issue is how picky people are being about working.

In the Great Depression, you WORKED--wherever you could, whatever it paid. Some businesses (small and medium sized) simply CANNOT afford to pay more than what they already are. But people are milking unemployment instead of working a job that is "beneath" them. There are also a lot of people who are capable of working who are instead milking the welfare system.

No wonder companies move to other countries, where they don't have to pay as much because people don't feel "entitled" to tons of benefits and high wages.

Maybe if I didn't see "help wanted" signs every single day in places like Burger King, the local gas station, Target, Walmart, McDonald's, Taco Bell, etc---maybe then I'd be more sympathetic to the people whining "I've been looking for a year, but can't find a job".

I realize that there are reasons to hold out for higher wages if possible---I have a mortgage, a car payment and a kid on the way too--but there has to come a point where you stop wishing your old job at your old wage would come back (it isn't going to--especially the old wage part of it) and get off your butt and WORK, accepting a lower wage if you have to.

I'm frustrated with the whole thing right now, because the American people are as responsible for the recession as the big companies, mostly because of the entitlement attitude and the belief that people don't need to WORK for what they have--they can just put it on credit and pay for it later.

[excon]

But people are milking unemployment instead of working a job that is "beneath" them. There are also a lot of people who are capable of working who are instead milking the welfare system.

Hello Synn:

If you were laid off from a tech job, your unemployment would be MORE than a weeks paycheck from McDonalds... You wouldn't clean toilets at Micky D's for LESS money, than you get for seeking other work, would you?

There has been a push from the right, recently, to blame the poor and unemployed for the country's problems... Now, I'm no lover of lazy takers, and I'm not saying there aren't plenty... But, IF there are, and they are TAKING from you and me, that's the FAULT of the AGENCY that's doling it out... It's NOT the fault of the truly needy.

Look. If we have cops that ferret out marijuana smoke, then we have cops who can ferret out welfare SCAMMERS... That would be if they weren't MORE interested in busting a pot smoker... That's MY view.

excon

[Synnen]

/shrug

I don't blame them for not taking LESS money.

I AM extremely upset that we keep extending the end point of unemployment, though.

[speechlesstx]

Less money with benefits can be a lot better than unemployment without.

[talaniman]

You let me know how those benefits at McDonald works out for you. And then let me know how unemployment works out after you haven't had a job in 39 weeks.

Then tell me how GE, can go overseas, and not make jobs here, pay no taxes, and get a refund. Then tell me how those job creators are being rewarded not to create jobs. Sounds to me like they aren't doing the job they were paid for, and should be fired, and lose the perks that "job creators" enjoy. So yeah sic SOMEBODY on them, oh wait, the repubs said leave 'em alone. So the problem seems to be how do we get repubs out of the way!!!! Maybe they are protecting the wrong people, YA THINK??

[tomder55]

GE is joined at the hip with the Obots.

[speechlesstx]

You let me know how those benefits at McDonald works out for you. And then let me know how unemployment works out after you haven't had a job in 39 weeks.

Dude, I speak from experience so rant at your own risk.

[talaniman]

Just because the Prez consults a few job creators about creating jobs, doesn't mean they are joined at the hip. Repubs ARE joined at the hip with "job creators". Just ask them. Do I really need to prove that??

Obama wants them to pay a bigger chunk of taxes. GE especially, why are they NOT? Is it Obama, or Republicans?

[Synnen]

You let me know how those benefits at McDonald works out for you. And then let me know how unemployment works out after you haven't had a job in 39 weeks.

Then tell me how GE, can go overseas, and not make jobs here, pay no taxes, and get a refund. Then tell me how those job creators are being rewarded not to create jobs. Sounds to me like they aren't doing the job they were paid for, and should be fired, and lose the perks that "job creators" enjoy. So yeah sic SOMEBODY on them, oh wait, the repubs said leave 'em alone. So the problem seems to be how do we get repubs out of the way!!!! Maybe they are protecting the wrong people, YA THINK???

GE is the devil anyway. Them and P&G and Walmart.

Seriously--I've been trying for YEARS to boycott GE for their business practices (their Keynesian economics and exploitation of workers, primarily). I can't do it. They're involved in too many products that you NEED on a regular basis.

Again, it all comes back to NOT having trickle-down economics, because it doesn't work.