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    Jun 18, 2011, 07:04 AM
    The Obamanator
    Hello:

    Look. I LIKE Obama, but he's acting MORE and MORE like G.W. Bush every day.

    In the FIRST place, he thinks he can start a war on his own and doesn't have to answer to anybody... Actually, at least Bush got somewhat of a congressional approval. Obama just changes the definition of war - kind of like Bush changed the definition of torture... But, I digress..

    In the SECOND place, for an administration who said it was going to be transparent, he's viciously going after leakers, and I mean viciously.

    THIRDLY, even though he smoked pot and used cocaine, when a former president came out against the Global Drug War, Obama said no thanks.

    Having said that, he's still better than ANY Republican candidate so far..

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    Jun 18, 2011, 09:03 AM

    I don't think so. Especially for all of the items you just named.
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    Jun 18, 2011, 09:09 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by Dr1757 View Post
    I don't think so. Especially for all of the items you just named.
    Hello Dr:

    Welcome to the battle...

    Agreed. Obama IS Bush light... However, the Republicans are Bush on STEROIDS.

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    Jun 18, 2011, 10:26 AM
    Catchy title there Ex, look, from a distant perspective, he can do no wrong right now, he has had the good luck to win the war on terror by eliminating OBL, that should be good for reelection. Even though he started the war on Libya, he has had the good sense to pull back and let the number two team play. What he obviously hasn't done is solve the employment problem. That is systemic and will take some real pain. Your republicans are working very hard to make sure they don't look like BO, but do you really have much choice?
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    Jun 18, 2011, 12:29 PM

    I'm neither democrat or Republican, but I am tired of all the crap up there in congress. Both sides are responsible for the financial mess we are in and neither side can pull their heads out of their *** to fix the problem. I live on social security after paying into program for over sixty years and I'm afraid that it will stop sooner than later leaving me and others high and dry. Bush did nothing to help and neither has Obama. But congress has sure taken care of themselves.
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    Jun 18, 2011, 03:24 PM

    I just hope the next election is about the peoples business, not BIG business. Been looking up who contributes to who, and that explains a lot about policy. Personally, the Republican field more than sucks so bad, the Dem's are looking really good, even if they can't really deliver, but as long as they don't take away, hey it's a small hope.
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    Jun 18, 2011, 04:35 PM

    I think Obama can run on the Rep ticket and free up the democratic one for Hilary
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    Jun 18, 2011, 05:44 PM

    The biggest problem with Obama is the lack of experience that he had going into office. Many of the campaign promises that were made went out the window when they pulled back the curten on day 1. His reality changed. Ever since then he has taken on a sullen attitude for the people. He keeps making one bad decision after another and yet he isn't really being called on it. Bush was hounded almost hourly for anything he had done right or wrong. Obama thinks he is a star in his own world. But he's living in a glass house and the people can see in. Throwing parties and jetsetting around the world while not giving a hoot about what is happening domestically to this country and all the while bypassing as much as he can. Its not looking good for him at the moment and I don't think he will be re-elected if there is a decent candidate running against him. Personally he is the worst president I have seen in my lifetime. That is saying a lot as Jimmy Carter was at the top of the list before him.
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    Jun 18, 2011, 06:21 PM
    The problem with the presidentcy is that each encumbent becomes a little tin god on oiled wheels. The person is expected to bring instant change as if he has no restrictions on what he can do. In fact everything he does is held up to scrutiny, and every fault is found.
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    Jun 19, 2011, 02:51 AM

    You forgot one. His administration authorized the transfer of at least 1750 automatic weapons to the Mexican drug cartels... enough to arm 2 batallions of narco-terrorists .

    Iran-Contra almost brought down the Reagan Adm.with it's numerous Committee hearings ,investigations, special prosecutors, grand juries and months of round the clock coverage.

    This 'Gunwalker' Scandal("Operation Fast and Furious") is far worse but has yet to dent the dinosaur media in any meaningful way despite the fact that Congressional hearings are ongoing ,and a convincing 51 page report has been published .
    http://oversight.house.gov/images/st...ATF_Report.pdf

    “DOJ and ATF inappropriately and recklessly relied on a 20-year-old ATF Order to allow guns to walk.” The agencies misrepresented the intention of the order to justify their actions.

    “Supervisors told the agents to 'get with the program' because senior ATF officials had sanctioned the operation.” At least one agent was cautioned that if he didn't stop complaining about the dangerous nature of the operation, he would find himself out of a job, and lucky to be working in a prison.

    “Operation Fast and Furious contributed to the increasing violence and deaths in Mexico. This result was regarded with giddy optimism by ATF supervisors hoping that guns recovered at crime scenes in Mexico would provide the nexus to straw purchasers in Phoenix.” ATF officials were seemingly unconcerned over the deaths of Mexican law enforcement officers, soldiers, and innocent civilians, noting that you had to “scramble a few eggs” to make an omelette, in a callous disregard of human life.

    Senior ATF personnel including Acting Director Ken Melson, and senior Department of Justice officials at least up to an assistant attorney general, were well aware of and supported the operation.

    Department of Justice officials hid behind semantics to lie and deny that they allowed guns to be walked across the border.

    When asked by the Oversight Committee how many of 1,750 specific weapons that “walked” under orders of the ATF and DOJ could have been interdicted if agents were allowed to act as they were trained, the agents answered they could have stopped every single one.


    The Obots are playing hardball coverup . What did Holder know ;and when did he know it ? What did the President know ,and when did he know it ?

    To date ,countless Mexicans have fallen to these weapons (perhaps some American civilians also as the guns have been used on both sides of the border) ;150 Mexican law enforcment officers ,and US Border Patrol Agent , Brian Terry ,have also fallen to these weapons.

    The administration has tried to make the case that weapons from the US has made the situation South of the border more deadly . Little did we know that was true because it was the American government was supplying the weapons to the cartels .


    Obama told Sarah Brady that he was working on gun control 'under the radar' .Obama under fire for eyeing gun control 'under the radar' | Mail Online
    Now we know what he meant.Gunwalker was designed to be a Reichstag fire moment.
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    Jun 19, 2011, 06:18 AM
    So tom when has the US ever been concerned about casualties in other places, I could believe almost anything of the US administration
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    Jun 19, 2011, 06:34 AM

    Hello again, tom:

    I read about that fiasco... But, that kind of stuff, just like Iran/Contra before it, was INSPIRED by the drug war. Reagan didn't mind distributing cocaine and guns as long as it met HIS political agenda, and Obama doesn't mind distributing guns to the narco's for some un-determined reason.

    But, the umbrella for BOTH of these aberrations is the failed drug war...

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    Jun 19, 2011, 11:11 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by excon View Post
    Hello again, tom:

    I read about that fiasco.... But, that kinda stuff, just like Iran/Contra before it, was INSPIRED by the drug war. Reagan didn't mind distributing cocaine and guns as long as it met HIS political agenda, and Obama doesn't mind distributing guns to the narco's for some un-determined reason.

    But, the umbrella for BOTH of these aberrations is the failed drug war...

    excon
    Ex I don't know how you can use the word "inspired" and the war on drugs in the same context. From my perspective the war on drugs is hardly inspirational. Should BO or any other leader seek to justify illegal actions on the basis that there is a higher agenda in operation, such situational ethics is a bankrupt philosophy and demonstares the dearth in leadership. The distribution of weapons to the drug cartels is an act of war against the Mexican people, but what's a few mex's among friends? Just a few less crossing the border.

    How is it you can support such a bankrupt administration? Make no mistake, the leader must take responsibility but the acts are those of his lieutenants who remain in office long after he has gone.
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    Jun 20, 2011, 03:46 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by paraclete View Post
    How is it you can support such a bankrupt administration?
    Hello again, clete:

    Um, uhh, I think the thrust of my post is that my support for him is lagging...

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    Jun 20, 2011, 05:30 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by excon View Post
    Hello again, clete:

    Um, uhh, I think the thrust of my post is that my support for him is lagging...

    excon
    I hope it is so Ex and I don't find support in another post. The truth is BO talks well but he comes up short when it comes to execution. That may be the quality of what he has to work with, or it may just mean he is part of the machine
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    Jun 20, 2011, 06:52 AM

    Obama doesn't care about the "war on drugs" or if his activities undermines a friendly government . (I think he finds that aspect a bonus)

    As I stated ;the true goal of this operation was for him to undermine 2nd amendment rights.
    He is hell bent on dragging the US into UN compliance with the small arms treaty they plan on adopting this summer .

    He told Sarah Brady that he was working under the radar to get it done. Now we know how .
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    Jun 20, 2011, 07:04 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    As I stated ;the true goal of this operation was for him to undermine 2nd amendment rights. .
    Hello again, tom:

    Obama is willing to undermine your 4th Amendment rights... He, like Bush before him, thinks the 5th Amendment sucks bigtime... He's not much into the 8th or 10th Amendments, agreed... But, he has NEVER uttered a word, or DONE a thing about the 2nd Amendment. You're making it up.

    I don't know where you guys get this stuff. In fact, the right wing should LOVE this guy. He's started more wars than Bush did, and wants to occupy the ENTIRE middle east... That should give you guys a boner!

    excon
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    Jun 20, 2011, 07:24 AM

    I'm making it up ? Sarah Brady said that ;not me.
    On March 30, the 30th anniversary of the assassination attempt on President Ronald Reagan, Jim Brady, who sustained a debilitating head wound in the attack, and his wife, Sarah, came to Capitol Hill to push for a ban on the controversial “large magazines.” Brady, for whom the law requiring background checks on handgun purchasers is named, then met with White House press secretary Jay Carney. During the meeting, President Obama dropped in and, according to Sarah Brady, brought up the issue of gun control, “to fill us in that it was very much on his agenda,” she said.

    “I just want you to know that we are working on it,” Brady recalled the president telling them. “We have to go through a few processes, but under the radar.”
    Over a barrel? Meet White House gun policy adviser Steve Croley - The Washington Post

    It's also a fact that Evita in 2009 reversed US objections to a UN Small arms treaty .
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    Jun 20, 2011, 07:59 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by excon View Post
    But, he has NEVER uttered a word, or DONE a thing about the 2nd Amendment. You're making it up.

    I dunno where you guys get this stuff.
    We've already had a thread on this. I didn't make it up.
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    Jun 20, 2011, 08:07 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    He told Sarah Brady that he was working under the radar to get it done.
    Hello again, Steve/tom,

    To me, "we're working under the radar", means get out of my office, biatch...

    To you, it means you should buy MORE guns because he's coming for 'em.

    excon

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