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speechlesstx · Apr 29, 2011, 09:57 AM

... and enjoy being useful idiots for dictators?

Fresh off his visit to Cuba, Jimmy Carter felt the need to visit North Korea and while there, give Kim Jong-Il a plug and call South Korea and the U.S. human rights abusers for not sending food to North Korea.

Perhaps on his way home he can stop by and give his pal Bashar kudos for his restraint in the Syrian unrest?

NeedKarma · Apr 29, 2011, 09:58 AM

Why do American leftists hate America.

I think we can all stop reading right there.

speechlesstx · Apr 29, 2011, 10:04 AM

Fortunately, most of us don't care what you think.

tomder55 · Apr 29, 2011, 10:05 AM

JC has been on the payroll of Kim Jong mentally IL for years.
The world and the people of North Korea would've been rid of that little bass-turd years ago except for Carter's personal interventions.There would not be a starvation issue there if he wasn't running the nation like it was Dachau .
Yet that moron Carter thinks it's us that are human rights violators ?
Jimmy... go away!! The NORKS have a nuke... mission accomplished .

NeedKarma · Apr 29, 2011, 10:09 AM

Originally Posted by speechlesstx

Fortunately, most of us don't care what you think.

Well maybe you and your little buddy tom, not sure about the rest of the world, I'm quite certain you don't speak for them.

But continue on your "independant" all-things-liberals-are-evil rant. It's a daily occurrence.

tomder55 · Apr 29, 2011, 10:16 AM

I wonder if there is any racism in Carter's panning of Obama policy ?

speechlesstx · Apr 29, 2011, 10:18 AM

Originally Posted by NeedKarma

But continue on your "independant" all-things-liberals-are-evil rant. It's a daily occurence.

So if I believe "all-things-liberals-are-evil" why did I just tell ex I'm OK with him "gettin' happy?" Thanks for quickly dispelling the idea that you're playing the part of adult here.

Now, back to the OP.

NeedKarma · Apr 29, 2011, 10:25 AM

Originally Posted by speechlesstx

So if I believe "all-things-liberals-are-evil" why did I just tell ex I'm ok with him "gettin' happy?"

What does "gettin' happy" mean??

TUT317 · Apr 29, 2011, 04:15 PM

Originally Posted by NeedKarma

I think we can all stop reading right there.

I agree with Need Karma. The statement by Speechless indicates that all American leftists hate America and one questionable example is given. This is a massive generalization. I am sure I can find one left leaning person that doesn't hate America.

Tut

paraclete · Apr 29, 2011, 05:19 PM

Originally Posted by TUT317

I agree with NK. The statement by Speechless indicates that all American leftists hate America and one questionable example is given. This is a massive generalization. I am sure i can find one left leaning person that doesn't hate America.

Tut

Tut I thnk you need to be a little careful with abbreviations when North Korea is being discussed otherwise we might think you are a Kim fellow traveller. Let's develop your argument for a moment; there must be one left leaning person who doesn't hate america and I'm sure I can find him.

Let's look immediately to the american leader, a left wing politician and surely one who would love america
Why Barack Obama Hates America - HUMAN EVENTS

Nope we can't get support there and as that fifty percent of americans who are left leaning think this guy is great we won't get support there either so you might need to look outside the US

TUT317 · Apr 29, 2011, 08:06 PM

Originally Posted by TUT317

I agree with NK. The statement by Speechless indicates that all American leftists hate America and one questionable example is given. This is a massive generalization. I am sure i can find one left leaning person that doesn't hate America.

Tut

Thanks Clete, My reference to NK was Need Karma

excon · Apr 29, 2011, 08:25 PM

Originally Posted by speechlesstx

Why do American leftists hate America...

Hello Steve:

I don't know.. Same reason right wingers do.

excon

TUT317 · Apr 30, 2011, 12:28 AM

Originally Posted by paraclete

Let's look immediately to the american leader, a left wing politician and surely one who would love america
Why Barack Obama Hates America - HUMAN EVENTS

Nope we can't get support there and as that fifty percent of americans who are left leaning think this guy is great we won't get support there either so you might need to look outside the US

Hi Clete,

Interesting link. Again. I would argue that there is a tendency for too much generalization on the part of the author.

My guess is that Obama dislikes certain aspects of American culture. This doesn't mean he hates it per se.

If the author of the article/book thinks that he can predict the policies Obama is going to implement in the future based on his generalization then I think his predictions are going to fall well short.

In relation to the original posting I would say that depending on the degree of 'leftness' most left leaning people in your country would fall into the category of only disliking certain aspects of America.

Tut

excon · Apr 30, 2011, 06:06 AM

Originally Posted by TUT317

In relation to the original posting I would say that depending on the degree of 'leftness' most left leaning people in your country would fall into the category of only disliking certain aspects of America.

Hello T:

I'm a leftist... I LOVE my country... I spilled my BLOOD for my country. Ask the rightists here when THEY defended their country, instead of just running their mouths...

excon

speechlesstx · Apr 30, 2011, 06:27 AM

Originally Posted by TUT317

I agree with Need Karma. The statement by Speechless indicates that all American leftists hate America and one questionable example is given. This is a massive generalization. I am sure I can find one left leaning person that doesn't hate America

Next time someone says something about right-wingers I expect the same defense on their behalf. If I would have meant ALL leftists I would have said ALL leftists. As it's stated, the people that hate America I'm referring to are American leftists like Jimmy Carter. So, why do they hate their country?

Edit: here's your chance:

Hello Steve:

I don't know.. Same reason right wingers do.

Excon

That's a massive generalization wouldn't you say?

excon · Apr 30, 2011, 06:47 AM

Originally Posted by speechlesstx

That's a massive generalization wouldn't you say?

Hello again, Steve:

I would, but no more so than, "Why do American leftists hate America..."

excon

TUT317 · Apr 30, 2011, 07:45 AM

Originally Posted by speechlesstx

Next time someone says something about right-wingers I expect the same defense on their behalf. If I would have meant ALL leftists I would have said ALL leftists. As it's stated, the people that hate America I'm referring to are American leftists like Jimmy Carter. So, why do they hate their country?

Edit: here's your chance:

That's a massive generalization wouldn't you say?

Hi Speech,

Sounds like a good defense for right wingers as well.

The way you set out your post it wasn't clear that you meant some and not all. Unless it is clear from the context the person reading the post is entitle to think the author means 'all'. That's just the way it works.
And yes, it applies to people who make statements such as, "Why do right wingers.... ?"

But seeing as you have stated you mean 'some' I e leftists like Jimmy Carter then that's fine with me. The debate can proceed on that basis.

Tut

paraclete · Apr 30, 2011, 05:10 PM

So we seem to have established that some, well maybe most, americans hate america. Is that enough of a generalisation for you and Tut, you seem to have forgotten where you live, lots of people here don't like america or is that americans, difficult to distinguish the difference, and I have been to other places and america is definitely on the nose there.

So what is this that causes the problem for this group of people who ,as individuals, aren't that different to the rest of us. I would say it is the character of their leadership

speechlesstx · May 1, 2011, 05:16 AM

Clete, I don't care about why any of you hate Americans or America, I know you'll all come begging for our help eventually anyway. This is about why so many American leftists hate their own country, the country that made it so easy for them to have such a good life.

paraclete · May 1, 2011, 04:06 PM

OK speech why do you think americans of any persuasion hate america