[J_9]

I hope she doesn't boot you off, at least for a while, because this is giving me a much-needed laugh.

You will laugh even harder on May 22 when HSB is sitting there dining on roasted crow, broiled crow, fried crow, etc. ;)

Remember he said he would "eat crow" if this doesn't come to fruition.

Hope he has a hearty appetite.

[ScottGem]

I am personally not interested in the specific conjugation of the verb "to be" in Hebrew, unless it strengthens my case that Jesus actually said (perhaps in veiled form) I am YHWH.

Did you really just say that you don't care what the actual facts of the language are, unless they support your preconceived notions? Thank you for finally admitting that!

I think that says it all!

[dwashbur]

You will laugh even harder on May 22 when HSB is sitting there dining on roasted crow, broiled crow, fried crow, etc. ;)

Remember he said he would "eat crow" if this doesn't come to fruition.

Hope he has a hearty appetite.

Naw, at least some of Camping's followers will probably just conclude they weren't part of the elect and that's why they didn't get taken. And of course, the earthquake will have been a 0.05 on the Richter scale...

[Wondergirl]

Camping (or at least some of his followers) is already tap dancing around the May date (beginning of the Rapture) and will decide the Oct. 21st date (beginning of Judgment Day) is really the correct one. If that one doesn't pan out, there are reasons in his calculations why it didn't.

[Synnen]

I would just like to point out that I'm just trying to get a straight answer about this entire thing.

I can't respect anyone that cannot defend their own faith--ESPECIALLY since I have had to learn to defend my own non-mainstream faith.

So HSB--you either believe the 5/21 rapture with all of your heart and can defend it completely (which you haven't shown me at all yet), or you're a charlatan and a troublemaker just set on stirring people up.

You're already proselytizing your beliefs, and this thread is really the OP trying to get you to explain and defend them---which is what the rest of us have been trying to do as well.

However, you dance around giving answers, and backtrack when someone points out that your answers either contradict each other or you direct us to go read Camping's stuff---which you apparently don't know well enough to explain to us, even though you believe it absolutely and expect the rapture on 5/21.

To top that off, many of us know the Bible better than you do, even though you claim the Bible is your ultimate reason for believing what you do. One thing you still have not answered is why YOUR interpretation (or Camping's, if you prefer) is the RIGHT version, and any other interpretation is wrong. You have NO idea how many people have decided that THEIR way is the ONLY way to read the Bible--this is at least the third theory I've heard outside of mainstream interpretations--based on how the Bible tells them to read the Bible.

Frankly, considering how many books were deleted from the Bible because of political and social reasons (for example, the books that gave women any power in the church were left out), I can't take seriously that the Bible is complete the way it is anyway. Considering how many parts of the Bible are either ignored these days (stoning to death for adultery) or have had interpretations change over the last couple hundred years (slavery used to be justified by Ham laughing at his father Noah's nakedness)--how can you claim that YOUR interpretation isn't just what you want it to say? Which, frankly, is EXACTLY what EVERY other Christian sect has done with THEIR interpretation of the Bible.

I think that I pity you, because you have fallen into the trap of having utter faith in something without completely understanding what it is you believe.

[dwashbur]

Frankly, considering how many books were deleted from the Bible because of political and social reasons (for example, the books that gave women any power in the church were left out), I can't take seriously that the Bible is complete the way it is anyway.

Hi Synnen,
The above caught my eye. Can you point me to a thread about this subject? Or, alternately, if I start a new thread about it, would you be willing (or have the time) to discuss it further?

[Synnen]

Hi Synnen,
The above caught my eye. Can you point me to a thread about this subject? Or, alternately, if I start a new thread about it, would you be willing (or have the time) to discuss it further?

There's not a thread that I know of. I'm basing that statement on a Bible study class (not a group through a church--I actually took a class at university on reading the Bible) that I took 15 years ago. I have the book at home (somewhere), but it was essentially a class on the different ways you can read the Bible--as literature, as history, as prose, as a moral guide, as a political reference (it's amazing how much of what Paul wrote was more political than moral). I am, however, at work right now.

I'd be happy to discuss it further, but I may not be able to find the references I am thinking of very quickly.

[spitvenom]

I find this thread to be hilarious. I was just looking at some things about this. One thing that struck me as odd is after the great flood that only Noah his wife his 3 sons and their wives survived. Dude that is a lot of inbreeding to repopulate the world. But if you truly believe the world is going to end private message me and I'll give you an address where you can send all your money.

[ITstudent2006]

I don't find this thread necessarily funny but sad. Sad in the way that people believe in this nonsense.

The formula as described by HSB is so ludacris. I can take ANY book (bible or not) and calculate a formula to my liking. That does not make it true, or believable.

My opinion is this. When May 23rd comes around and we are all still here posting away on AMHD, Camping will be at home taking it easy. You may ask me why he would be taking it easy. That's because a man who has put himself into a hole like this would not leave himself exitless. He has conjured excuses and will propagate them throughout his followers and others after the proposed judgement day comes and goes. His forumla will vary to back his excuse and the drama will continue until the next proposed judgement day. Perhaps 2300 days did not mean 23 years, maybe it meant 23 oscillating years... so May 21st, 2034 will be judgement day ;)

[southamerica]

I find this sad because of how much it has scared Depressed in MO. How many people, like Depressed, are tucking their kids in at night, terrified that they will never have a future, because of this?

[tickle]

I find this sad because of how much it has scared Depressed in MO. How many people, like Depressed, are tucking their kids in at night, terrified that they will never have a future, because of this?

Yes, and devastating for a parent to think they will never see their children again on this earth. Sad, sad, sad.

Tick

[Depressed in MO]

I find this sad because of how much it has scared Depressed in MO. How many people, like Depressed, are tucking their kids in at night, terrified that they will never have a future, because of this?

Hello everyone, I hope I have not made everybody think I was "ducking" out of the discussion, I didn't have access to the internet during the weekend.

I really don't have much more to say about it-I would like to make some statements though.

First of all, I apologize to everyone on here-it seems like I've got quite a few members worked up. I just want to make sure that everyone understands that it was NOT my intention at all.

Even to HSB: My purpose was not to call you out specifically so that you could get caught up in a nasty religious debate. This subject bothers me to the extremes obviously. I was looking for some answers from you to explain more about this theory and what made your heart believe in it...

Furthermore, I appreciate everyone's opinions on here and I hope I don't piss anyone off by saying that I still do not know what to believe. I'm still scared to death about the end possibly being near. I don't want to believe it, My opinion is with that of most of you-I don't believe that God would end it in such a way. I still do not know though.

I do know that I have sinned a lot in my life and I have a lot of repenting to do. If it actually really could be true, I just don't want my family to suffer-that's what worries me the most.

[southamerica]

Depressed in MO: don't be sorry. Everyone here posts out of their own free will, and no one is obligated to read this thread or stay subscribed to it. You gave us a forum to discuss something that I believe has been on our minds/gotten on our nerves/had us wondering because of other threads.

I am sorry, HSB, for my posts that came across (and some were even intended to be) sarcastic. I respect your beliefs, regardless of how founded or factual I see them to be. Because this May 21, 2011 theory is terrifying for people and I personally view it to be fear mongering, it does upset me. That doesn't give me much of a right to be sarcastic about other people's views.

I do very much hope you're wrong. I pray you're wrong. We'll find out.

[Depressed in MO]

I do very much hope you're wrong. I pray you're wrong. We'll find out.

I feel exactly the same way!:)

[450donn]

As a Christian you should not be scared. Instead you should be looking foreword to spending eternity with Christ. Now, if you are not a Christian I can see how this discussion would bother you.

[tickle]

I went to bible school when I was from kindergarten; I was raised as they told me that I was Anglican. Is being a christian a relaltive term because I think it is. I am not scared of the outcome, and I thought, (excuse me) this started in another thread that this was about the Mayan calender. How did this discussion become so completely religious. Some of us don't subscribe to this way of thinking but here it is, in all its glory with scripitures being quoted, etal.

Sorry, I am quite happy with my lot in life, I am working hard, paying my bills, loving my family and I am really not afraid to go (at the moment) my son hates me making plans and he knows I want to be cremated and my ashes scattered on a beach of my choosing. So, what is there actually to do? I am enjoying what I have left.

By the way my avvy is my art in stained glass, I am sorry I can't display it bigger; but being gifted in my art form is a good part of my happiness.

Tick

[Wondergirl]

i thought, (excuse me) this started out in another thread that this was about the Mayan calender. How did this discussion become so completely religous.

This thread concerns the prediction of the Rapture at the end of May 2011 and Judgment Day in Oct. The religious aspect is implicit because the man responsible for this prediction is an off-the-beaten-path Protestant who owns a religious radio station in TN, I think, and is constantly on the air talking about the end of the world.

[Alty]

Furthermore, I appreciate everyone's opinions on here and I hope I don't piss anyone off by saying that I still do not know what to believe. I'm still scared to death about the end possibly being near. I don't want to believe it, My opinion is with that of most of you-I don't believe that God would end it in such a way. I still do not know though

I'm going to go slightly off topic, just to address this part of your post.

I am not Christian, so I don't know if you'll take comfort in anything that I have to say, but I do speak from my heart, so I hope you'll listen.

If by some chance all this end of the world stuff is true, then there's nothing at all anyone can do about it, other then the God you believe in.

One thing I can tell you. If the end of the world is near, then worrying about it every day and night, isn't going to change a thing.

You could walk out of your house tomorrow and get hit by a car and die. You could find out tomorrow that you have terminal cancer and only have a short time to live. You could be gunned down on the street by some madman. Anything can happen. Every day we have on earth is a gift. Every single minute we have with our loved ones is a gift. Live life that way and you can't go wrong, even if the end of the world is next month.

I watched both of my parents die of cancer 6 1/2 months apart. I was 30 when they died. They were way too young to go. I may not have faith in God, but losing my parents gave me a gift, I found my faith in life. Since that time I live each day as if it was my last. I hug my kids every chance I get. I never miss an opportunity to tell someone I love them. Each moment is precious. Not because I'm trying to get to heaven, not because I believe the end is near, only because I choose to live, however long that may be.

If I die tomorrow, I'm at peace. I lived my life the best way I could. I have no regrets.

Please, don't worry about tomorrow. Live for today. :)

[ITstudent2006]

I'm going to go slightly off topic, just to address this part of your post.

I am not Christian, so I don't know if you'll take comfort in anything that I have to say, but I do speak from my heart, so I hope you'll listen.

If by some chance all this end of the world stuff is true, then there's nothing at all anyone can do about it, other then the God you believe in.

One thing I can tell you. If the end of the world is near, then worrying about it every day and night, isn't going to change a thing.

You could walk out of your house tomorrow and get hit by a car and die. You could find out tomorrow that you have terminal cancer and only have a short time to live. You could be gunned down on the street by some madman. Anything can happen. Every day we have on earth is a gift. Every single minute we have with our loved ones is a gift. Live life that way and you can't go wrong, even if the end of the world is next month.

I watched both of my parents die of cancer 6 1/2 months apart. I was 30 when they died. They were way too young to go. I may not have faith in God, but losing my parents gave me a gift, I found my faith in life. Since that time I live each day as if it was my last. I hug my kids every chance I get. I never miss an opportunity to tell someone I love them. Each moment is precious. Not because I'm trying to get to heaven, not because I believe the end is near, only because I choose to live, however long that may be.

If I die tomorrow, I'm at peace. I lived my life the best way I could. I have no regrets.

Please, don't worry about tomorrow. Live for today. :)

Thank You Alty. Someone who finally put into words what I couldn't.

[HeadStrongBoy]

Of the doctrines Mr.Camping promotes:
I. the Method of Bible Interpretation.
II. The Character of Salvation and the Character of Judgment.
III. The Time-Line of History including the precise time of Judgment (May 21, 2011).

Item III is the most subject to doubt. I had hoped the urgency might influence people to re-examine their own views on items I. and II. To me those two doctrines are much less doubtful. If item III fails to occur precisely as predicted, for me personally items I and II will continue to be as before. In that case item III will have to be re-evaluated.

To be honest, I admit that I have moments of doubt. If I didn't I wouldn't be human. But it seems to me the teachings are so well thought out and supported by the Bible that it's difficult not to believe.