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TUT317 · Mar 30, 2011, 04:58 PM

Originally Posted by speechlesstx

I have no problem discerning between the two. I made the distinction for you here and many times previously. You're claiming that Beck and O'Reilly are presenting themselves as "news" shows on some extremely thin evidence, that Beck used the word "story" and Fox News, the channel O'Reilly is contracted to, displays their logo during his show. What do you want them to display to advertise their brand, MSNBC? Give it up, you have no case.

Hi Speech,

Apparently you can discern the difference between news and opinion.

The only thing I found was you statement saying Fox presents the news with bias.

"Seriously guys, do ya'll believe Fox News' people are the only media types that have and share opinions and present news with a bias?"

On one hand you want to claim that your Media does make a distinction between news and opinion and on the other hand you also say they don't.
.

Which is it?

NeedKarma · Mar 30, 2011, 05:46 PM

Originally Posted by speechlesstx

You're claiming that Beck and O'Reilly are presenting themselves as "news" shows on some extremely thin evidence, that Beck used the word "story" and Fox News, the channel O'Reilly is contracted to, displays their logo during his show. What do you want them to display to advertise their brand, MSNBC? Give it up, you have no case.

Beck, Hannity and O'Reilly have commentary shows whose purpose is to demonize all things liberal, if Fox News is Fair and Balanced where are the commentary shows that show the opposing view, that demonize all things conservative?

tomder55 · Mar 31, 2011, 02:05 AM

Hannity and O'Reilly have the opposing view debated on their shows. Beck is from a different planet.

NeedKarma · Mar 31, 2011, 03:38 AM

Originally Posted by tomder55

Hannity and O'Reilly have the opposing view debated on their shows.

LOL! One lame guest once every two months that gets cut out or shouted at does make it an equal opposing view. I asked what other SHOWS give equal time to demonizing conservative values. Shows who spend their whole time doing that, which may occasionally bring in a conservative person. The answer of course is that there are none.

TUT317 · Mar 31, 2011, 04:04 AM

Originally Posted by speechlesstx

So now we're pretending Huffpo is a news outlet and Fox isn't? LOL!

Seriously guys, do y'all really believe Fox News' people are the only media types that have and share opinions and present news with a bias? Really? Grow up.

I don't see how Beck can be seen as distance from the rest of the Fox people when Speechless has already said they share opinions and present the news in a certain way. Sounds like collaboration in order to present the news in a bias way.

This relates to my original complaint about the media not distinguishing between fact and opinion. Why does Speechless admit that this is a problem and then put on a insulting charade claiming the opposite? I would be interested in his reply.

Tut

tomder55 · Mar 31, 2011, 04:10 AM

Originally Posted by NeedKarma

LOL! One lame guest once every two months that gets cut out or shouted at does make it an equal opposing view. I asked what other SHOWS give equal time to demonizing conservative values. Shows who spend their whole time doing that, which may occasionally bring in a conservative person. The answer of course is that there are none.

You can find that at MSNBC ,CNN ,CBS ,NBC ,ABC ,PBS...

NeedKarma · Mar 31, 2011, 04:21 AM

Originally Posted by tomder55

You can find that at MSNBC ,CNN ,CBS ,NBC ,ABC ,PBS .....

That don't advertise that they are Fair and Balanced.
But I see that you are one of the people who try to propagate the great "liberal media" conspiracy theory. It must be tough thinking that the whole world is against you.

speechlesstx · Mar 31, 2011, 04:45 AM

Originally Posted by TUT317

On one hand you want to claim that your Media does make a distinction between news and opinion and on the other hand you also say they don't.

1) Do you know the difference between an opinion show and a news show?

2) Who presents their news completely unbiased?

speechlesstx · Mar 31, 2011, 04:53 AM

Originally Posted by TUT317

I don't see how Beck can be seen as distance from the rest of the Fox people when Speechless has already said they share opinions and present the news in a certain way. Sounds like collaboration in order to present the news in a bias way.

Is the NY Times only Krugman? Is the Washington Post only Krauthammer?

This relates to my original complaint about the media not distinguishing between fact and opinion. Why does Speechless admit that this is a problem and then put on a insulting charade claiming the opposite? I would be interested in his reply.

I find it comical that I make the distinction between news shows and opinion shows and also admit that no one, including Fox (and MSNBC, ABC, CBS, NY Times, WaPo, etc. ad nauseum) reports news completely free of bias and you claim I'm putting on "insulting charade." In other words, to you honesty is a charade. No wonder you're confused.

TUT317 · Mar 31, 2011, 04:58 AM

Originally Posted by speechlesstx

1) Do you know the difference between an opinion show and a news show?

2) Who presents their news completely unbiased?

The answer to your first question is, no I don't because I am not intelligent enough.

The answer to your second question is Australia.

Tut

speechlesstx · Mar 31, 2011, 07:02 AM

Originally Posted by TUT317

The answer to your second question is Australia.

Really?

Media Bias in Australia

Australian News Commentary

tomder55 · Mar 31, 2011, 07:07 AM

See comment #100

It would be strange if there weren't an inherent bias in the news content .

paraclete · Apr 1, 2011, 06:45 PM

Originally Posted by speechlesstx

Really?

Media Bias in Australia

Australian News Commentary

Really if you are going to do this sort of thing you should get some authoritative comment, not someone complaining about a comedian's remarks and for the record One Nation was some years ago and shook a government out of its lethergy even if the tactics were questionable.

The media is biased in Australia. If the government is conservative it is biased towards socialism, if the government is socialist it is biased towards conservatism. In other words it presents the view from the other side and doesn't swallow the government line. I don't think I have ever seen the Australian media suggest that the government is doing a good job, it just doesn't sell. We are also blessed with a certain amount of public satire which we know would be unacceptable in the northern hemisphere

speechlesstx · Apr 2, 2011, 03:49 AM

A simple "yes, the media is biased in Australia" would suffice. Sneering down your nose at your friends across the pond is unnecessary.

paraclete · Apr 2, 2011, 06:16 AM

Nothing is ever simple, remember Murdock learned his trade in Australia

We are not so biased we edit the news so that the population doesn't have a clue what is going on anywhere but at their own back door. Your politicians hold a lot of enquiries into what is going on, but it seems to me they wouldn't need to ask so many questions if they were better informed

speechlesstx · Apr 2, 2011, 07:25 AM

Funny you post that after I posted on happenings in Afghanistan and we've been discussing the situation in Libya.

paraclete · Apr 2, 2011, 03:26 PM

Not really from where I sit I see a vast difference between the depth of news coverage in our respective countries and in other places

speechlesstx · Apr 2, 2011, 03:34 PM

Originally Posted by paraclete

Not really from where I sit I see a vast difference between the depth of news coverage in our respective countries and in other places

I see a vast difference in snootiness in other countries, it seems to be rampant in Australia, Canada and Europe.

paraclete · Apr 2, 2011, 04:01 PM

Yes I think it arises from coming into contact with people from certain places