[speechlesstx]

According to Politifact, the government takeover of health care was the biggest political lie of 2010.

In walks John Conyers to tell us Obamacare is the platform for you guessed it, government takeover of health care.

Told you so. The biggest lie was that it wasn't a takeover of health care... followed closely by "net neutrality is not a government takeover of the internet."

[tomder55]

There was more than one Dem that let the cat out of the bag during the debate .

PolitiFact sometimes gets it right :

PolitiFact | Bachmann's $105 billion charge: Was the funding secret?

I say these continuing resolutions have to end if Obamacare is still funded . Time to defund Obamacare .

[NeedKarma]

..followed closely by "net neutrality is not a government takeover of the internet."

Since you're in my territory here: define what you understand 'net neutrality" to mean.

[speechlesstx]

Sorry, NK, you're not going to hijack my thread.

[NeedKarma]

Sorry, NK, you're not going to hijack my thread.

But you mentioned it here as the second biggest lie. Now you want to stop all discussions of that assertion?

[speechlesstx]

I did indeed mention it and you and I have had that discussion about what "net neutrality" means. The issue is whether it is a government takeover of the internet, not a definition. I say it is.

The Net Neutrality Coup

We need to lock in this advantage

[excon]

PolitiFact sometimes gets it right :

PolitiFact | Bachmann's $105 billion charge: Was the funding secret?

Hello tom:

Yup.. The last sentence reads, "On balance, we rated Bachmann's statement Barely True."

I'm not interested in "barely true" stuff from my politicians. It might as well be a lie.

excon

[NeedKarma]

I did indeed mention it and you and I have had that discussion about what "net neutrality" means. The issue is whether or not it is a government takeover of the internet, not a definition. I say it is.

The Net Neutrality Coup

We need to lock in this advantage

Apparently you didn't learn anything from those threads if you post what you posted in your original question.

[excon]

Biggest political lie of the year

Hello Steve:

For me it was jobs, jobs, jobs, when they actually meant making abortion less available, stopping gay marriage, killing the unions, and making old people freeze in the winter.

But, that's just me.

excon

[speechlesstx]

Apparently you didn't learn anything from those threads if you post what you posted in your original question.

Neither did you. The courts and Congress both rejected "net neutrality" and Obama's FCC enacted regulations anyway.

[speechlesstx]

Hello Steve:

For me it was jobs, jobs, jobs, when they actually meant making abortion less available, stopping gay marriage, killing the unions, and making old people freeze in the winter.

But, that's just me.

Mine was If I like my doctor and my insurance I can keep it and Obamcare wold save me money. Both my wife and my insurance changed and it costs us both more.

[excon]

In walks John Conyers to tell us Obamacare is the platform for you guessed it, government takeover of health care.

Told ya so. The biggest lie was that it wasn't a takeover of health care...

Hello again, Steve:

I don't know. I went to the site you linked me to. Funny. It DIDN'T say what YOU say it said. Here's what Conyers said, "..platform for building a single-payer health care system in the United States."

So, if you're going to talk about political LIES, you better be right on about the lie you're complaining about. You weren't.

excon

[tomder55]

It is indeed a truth that the Dems snuck in $105 billion of funding into the Obamacare bill.

Now if speaker Boner ever gets his weepy head out of his butt ,they could get on with defunding it instead of falling into the Dem trap of continuous resolutions that keeps the law intact .

[NeedKarma]

Neither did you. The courts and Congress both rejected "net neutrality" and Obama's FCC enacted regulations anyway.

Net neutrality has to do with no one, government or corporation, being involved in metering or policing or giving preference to any data that travels across the internet so it is the complete opposite of a government takeover of the internet, it seeks to keep the government out of dictating what can be done with the content. Yet you posted:

The biggest lie was that it wasn't a takeover of health care... followed closely by "net neutrality is not a government takeover of the internet."

which the compete opposite of what net neutrality is. No one is arguing over what the FCC is trying to do (the US is less free than it thinks), I was correcting you on your original statement - saying "net neutrality is not a government takeover of the internet" would be a true statement.

[excon]

It is indeed a truth that the Dems snuck in $105 billion of funding into the Obamacare bill.

Hello again, tom:

If that's so, and I don't know if it is, what does that say about your Republican congress, who after all this time, couldn't find $105 BILLION? In fact, they STILL haven't found it, because she's the only one saying it.

But, back to the Republicans who missed $105 BILLION... And, you want us to trust them with our money... Bwa, ha ha ha.

excon

[speechlesstx]

Hello again, Steve:

I dunno. I went to the site you linked me to. Funny. It DIDN'T say what YOU say it said. Here's what Conyers said, "..platform for building a single-payer health care system in the United States."

So, if you're gonna talk about political LIES, you better be right on about the lie you're complaining about. You weren't.

Since we're on definitions, what does he mean by "single-payer?"

[excon]

Hello again, Steve:

He's talking about who's going to be paying the bills - not who's going to be in your doctors office.

If you want to talk about government in the doctors office, what do you think restricting abortion is??

excon

[tomder55]

she's the only one saying it.

Funny how Politifact confirmed the numbers and yet says it's 'barely true'.

The CRS found it before her.
http://bachmann.house.gov/UploadedFi...0_11_PPACA.pdf

And before that former member of Congress Ishtook wrote about it in Heritage.
How Congress Can Limit the Damage Caused by Obamacare | The Heritage Foundation

He calls the funding like kudzo entwined in the bill .

The only difference is the wording . She calls it a slush fund.

He's correct in that now the Republicans have to go provision by provision and defund it. It won't get done in this continuing resolution process.

[excon]

According to Politifact, the government takeover of health care was the biggest political lie of 2010.

Hello again, Steve:

I'm not sure you know WHO Politifact said was LYING. In fact, he's saying the people who were using the term, "government takeover of health care", are the LIARS. That'd be YOU guys.

This is how the article concluded: "By selecting "government takeover' as Lie of the Year, PolitiFact is not making a judgment on whether the health care law is good policy. The phrase is simply not true."

excon

[NeedKarma]

Hello again, Steve:

I'm not sure you know WHO Politifact said was LYING. In fact, he's saying the people who were using the term, "government takeover of health care", are the LIARS. That'd be YOU guys.

This is how the article concluded: "By selecting "government takeover' as Lie of the Year, PolitiFact is not making a judgment on whether the health care law is good policy. The phrase is simply not true."

excon

He's not getting the subtlety in the right-wing talking point being the problem here.

BTW have a gander at the comments of the website he posted: Conyers: Obamacare Is ?Platform? for Creating Single-Payer System | CNSnews.com
Yikes!