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excon · Mar 13, 2011, 04:22 PM

Hello:

The shoddy and inhumane treatment of Bradly Manning in the brig at Charleston, S.C. has been a cause on the far left for a while now. I don't know WHY the Constitution is a far left issue, but it appears to be. That's cool. I LOVE the Constitution, and if I have to be on the far left to love it, so be it.

Today, T.J. Crowley, the State Department spokesman, spoke out against it. He called Bradley Manning's detention "ridiculous, counterproductive and stupid". Obama fired him.

In the Obama administration, it's perfectly acceptable to abuse an American citizen who has been convicted of NOTHING by consigning him to 23-hour-a-day solitary confinement, barring him from exercising in his cell, punitively imposing "suicide watch" restrictions on him, AGAINST the recommendations of brig psychiatrists, and subjecting him to prolonged, forced nudity designed to do nothing other than humiliate and degrade.

But speaking out AGAINST that abuse is a firing offense. Good to know.

excon

PS> In my profile, I mention having been in a brig.. This is that brig.

paraclete · Mar 13, 2011, 05:12 PM

Ex what is the penalty for treason? Firing squad at dawn? Do you expect a regime that has tortured hundreds of Muslims to treat someone accused of treason any differently. Get used to it, the US for all its rhetoric is no different to any other imperialistic regime

tomder55 · Mar 13, 2011, 06:14 PM

Manning threatened to commit suicide by hanging himself with his underware . Hence to protect him from himself he is forced at night to sleep naked. The Army had no choice but to take his comment seriously ,even if he only said it sarcastically.

paraclete · Mar 13, 2011, 07:32 PM

Originally Posted by tomder55

Manning threatened to commit suicide by hanging himself with his underware . Hence to protect him from himself he is forced at night to sleep naked. The Army had no choice but to take his comment seriously ,even if he only said it sarcastically.

Ah tom you swallow the excuses so readily. Are you telling me there are no ways of restricting someone who is "suicidal"? We know who is being protected from this person

tomder55 · Mar 14, 2011, 02:02 AM

are you telling me there are no ways of restricting someone who is "suicidal"?

Yes there is .One of them is removing the tools he'd need to commit suicide.
Imagine the outcry if he was found dead .

paraclete · Mar 14, 2011, 03:19 AM

Accusation you mean, whatever his death it will be expected he was assassinated. You and I both know he signed his death warrant when he stole those secrets

tomder55 · Mar 14, 2011, 03:42 AM

I kind of doubt the death sentence will be applied . I expect there will be a 'Free Bradley Manning' movement with the requisite tee shirts where he resembles Che
... just like there is a'Free Mumia Abu-Jamal ' movement .

excon · Mar 14, 2011, 06:47 AM

Hello again, tom:

It doesn't surprise me that Manning is included on your list of people who aren't entitled to Constitutional protection. The problem is, the Constitution doesn't say you can pick which parts you enforce and which parts you don't. It wasn't written to be selectively quoted or selectively obeyed. When you poo poo the parts you DON'T like, it weakens your arguments about the parts you DO like. It allows a guy like me to talk about your lists. Certainly, having a list MUST bother you somewhat. You certainly KNOW the Constitution doesn't call for exceptions. When it says the people, it doesn't mean SOME people. You MUST understand that, don't you? Maybe you don't.

excon

tomder55 · Mar 14, 2011, 07:21 AM

I fail to see where his rights are being violated.

paraclete · Mar 14, 2011, 02:06 PM

Being subject to a rendition which removed him from the jurisdiction of the courts isn't a violation of his rights? You are very selective Tom

tomder55 · Mar 14, 2011, 02:49 PM

What are you talking about ? He's a military prisoner being held by the military .There are formal charges against him and more coming.

Maybe we should send him to GITMO where all prisoners are treated with kids gloves.

paraclete · Mar 14, 2011, 08:08 PM

Originally Posted by tomder55

What are you talking about ? He's a military prisoner being held by the military .There are formal charges against him and more coming.

Maybe we should send him to GITMO where all prisoners are treated with kids gloves.

What you don't send all your political prisioners to gitmo, how enlightened of you

tomder55 · Mar 15, 2011, 02:09 AM

So a soldier breaking the Military Code of Conduct is a political prisoner now ?

speechlesstx · Oct 5, 2011, 06:51 AM

The Obama administration has waived - again - penalties for countries that employ child soldiers.

President Barack Obama has decided to waive almost all the legally mandated penalties for countries that use child soldiers and provide those countries U.S. military assistance, just like he did last year.

The White House is expected to soon announce its decision to issue a series of waivers for the Child Soldiers Protection Act, a 2008 law that is meant to stop the United States from giving military aid to countries that recruit soldiers under the age of 15 and use them to fight wars. The administration has laid out a range of justifications for waiving penalties on Yemen, South Sudan, Chad, and the Democratic Republic of the Congo, all of which amount to a gutting of the law for the second year in a row.

Surely we can all agree that using children to fight your wars is a bad thing. The House did, it passed the bill 371-0, the Senate by unanimous consent. What's also interesting in the White House bypassing this law is Obama was a Senate cosponsor.

smoothy · Oct 5, 2011, 09:48 AM

Originally Posted by speechlesstx

The Obama administration has waived - again - penalties for countries that employ child soldiers.

Surely we can all agree that using children to fight your wars is a bad thing. The House did, it passed the bill 371-0, the Senate by unanimous consent. What's also interesting in the White House bypassing this law is Obama was a Senate cosponsor.

More proof the guy in the White house has experienced a psycotic break with reality.

Or is this another John Kerry Moment, of "I voted for the bill before I voted against it".