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excon · Mar 7, 2011, 05:41 PM

Hello:

Representative Peter King, Republican of NY has decided to investigate Muslim hate groups. According to the Southern Poverty Law Center, there's over a thousand hate groups in this country, and not a Muslim group among them.

Why doesn't Congressman King investigate these groups?

excon

smoothy · Mar 7, 2011, 06:04 PM

Trying to protect the Muslims from what... the fact they have been and ARE being recruited by terrorists? Its been proven. Nope not all muslims are terrorists... but most terrorists ARE muslim.

That's like Arguing the police are wrongly targeting street gangs for illegal activities. Because We all know THe Crips, THe Bloods and MS13 are really a misunderstood bunch of nice guys that never do anything wrong.

PS... I would REALLY like to see them investigate the NAACP and the Black Caucus as well as the DNC.

tomder55 · Mar 7, 2011, 06:18 PM

Don't you think it a bit strange that not a single Muslim group is listed ? What ? You don't think there are jihadist groups here recruiting American Muslims to wage jihad from within ?

One of the first witnesses to the committee will be Dr Zuhdi Jasser ,son of Syrian immigrants and American hero obtaining the rank of Lieutenant Commander in the United States Navy.
He will testify about the growing jihadistan threat here while at the same time pay tribute to the many loyal Muslim Americans .
Clearly this is a witch hunt.
Edit...
By the way ;you are wrong about there not being a Muslim group in their listing . They did manage to include the obvious one... Nation of Islam.Keep tuned in to the King hearings . It will open your eyes to the extent that jihadistan has already infiltrated .

cdad · Mar 8, 2011, 04:45 AM

What I found strange was there also was not a single gang listed in any areas yet they are one of the most active (known for killing on the streets) of today's modern threats to big cities.

http://ctgia.org/usamap.html

tomder55 · Mar 8, 2011, 05:02 AM

Excellent point...

Perhaps the King hearings will explore the nexus of MS-13 smuggling jihadists into the country.
Also Ex is correct in that the Ayran groups that are listed should get some investigation time also. They have a common enemy with jihadists in their hatred of Jews. If the link can be established it should be pursued .
What Congressman King contends is that there has not been enough of an effort to expose possible internal jihadistan activity .
Congress can waste their time hauling in baseball players to investigate steroid use. I think this is time better spent.

excon · Mar 8, 2011, 06:46 AM

Hello again:

In THIS country, there's something ABHORRENT about investigating a religion. I have a feeling you'd think so too, if it were YOUR religion being investigated.

excon

tomder55 · Mar 8, 2011, 06:59 AM

But this isn't investigation of a religion . It is investigation of jihadists... political actors who have a political philosophy . In that they are no different than the organizations you said in the OP should be scrutinized .
The fact that they disguise their political creed in religious rhetoric should not give them special immunity . I would expect the same scrutiny given to any terrorist group attempting to use Christianity as a cover .

excon · Mar 8, 2011, 07:30 AM

Originally Posted by tomder55

Don't you think it a bit strange that not a single Muslim group is listed ? What ? You don't think there are jihadist groups here recruiting American Muslims to wage jihad from within ?

Hello again, tom:

Nope - not strange at all... If a CHRISTIAN group decided to make a web site and gather on the weekends to wear fatigues and shoot their guns in the woods, they'd be considered, by Peter King and you, to be God fearing American patriots... If MUSLIMS did that, they'd find themselves in Gitmo. So no, I don't find it strange that there are NO Muslim groups on that list.

That doesn't mean I believe there's no recruiting going on. I'd have NO problem with an investigation into home grown terrorism. But, Peter King said, “The threat is coming from the Muslim community... Why should I investigate other communities?”

I've said on many occasions, that the things we do, ostensibly to COUNTER terrorism, do exactly the opposite. They CREATE more terrorists... The narrative in the Muslim world is that the US is at war with Islam. What Peter King said above is proof of that.

excon

tomder55 · Mar 8, 2011, 07:37 AM

King is correct. Or perhaps you think the guy who shot up Fort Hood and tried to bomb Time Square is a skin head.

excon · Mar 8, 2011, 07:48 AM

Originally Posted by tomder55

King is correct. Or perhaps you think the guy who shot up Fort Hood and tried to bomb Time Square is a skin head.

Hello again, tom:

If you looked at terrorism with blinders on, you'd only see the Fort Hood guy, and you'd say what you said...

But, if you took the blinders OFF, you'd see that Jerrod Loftner wasn't a Muslim. You'd see that the guy who flew his plane into the IRS building wasn't a Muslim.. You'd see that the Muir Office building in Oklahoma City wasn't blown up by a Muslim.

If you don't want to look there, and you only want to look at Muslims, it LOOKS to the world, like you're at war with Muslims.

excon

tomder55 · Mar 8, 2011, 08:03 AM

What is the common ideology of the 3 incidents you mention?. none.

Stack’s claimed a personal persectution against him by the IRS. McVay was pissed off about the Branch Davidian raid by the Clintoons. Loftner... I still can't figure out his beef with his incoherent rants.

I can point to many other attacks in the US that all tie in neatly to domestic and external jihadist attacks on the US . Therefore the threat is real and it is incumbent for the Homeland Security Dept to investigate the linkage.

excon · Mar 8, 2011, 08:13 AM

Originally Posted by tomder55

What is the common ideology of the 3 incidents you mention? ...none.... Therefore the threat is real and it is incumbent for the Homeland Security Dept to investigate the linkage.

Hello again, tom:

Couple things.

The three attackers were white, American, and Christian... Looks like an investigation just WAITING to be launched there... Not enough links for you, huh?

I wholeheartedly agree with you, and I don't deny the threat. Homeland Security Dept needs to investigate the linkage...

Uhhhh, that's NOT the same as holding a public hearing.

excon

tomder55 · Mar 8, 2011, 08:24 AM

Peter King as Chair of the Committee has a responsibility to makes sure that Homeland Security is doing the proper job.

As I already stated ;the public will get to hear all sides of this issue during the hearings . Besides Dr Zuhdi Jasser ,others to testify will be
Rep. Keith Ellison, the first Muslim to be elected to Congress ;and
Los Angeles Sheriff Lee Baca, who has supported the Council on American Islamic Relations and other Muslim groups.
Rep. Peter King's U.S. Muslim Radicalization hearing: Witness list here - Lynn Sweet

It will be a balanced hearing and will demonstrate both government transparency ,and the checks and balances that our Constitutional system mandates.

cdad · Mar 8, 2011, 09:55 AM

Originally Posted by excon

Hello again, tom:

Nope - not strange at all... If a CHRISTIAN group decided to make a web site and gather on the weekends to wear fatigues and shoot their guns in the woods, they'd be considered, by Peter King and you, to be God fearing American patriots... If MUSLIMS did that, they'd find themselves in Gitmo. So no, I don't find it strange that there are NO Muslim groups on that list.

That doesn't mean I believe there's no recruiting going on. I'd have NO problem with an investigation into home grown terrorism. But, Peter King said, “The threat is coming from the Muslim community..... Why should I investigate other communities?”

I've said on many occasions, that the things we do, ostensibly to COUNTER terrorism, do exactly the opposite. They CREATE more terrorists... The narrative in the Muslim world is that the US is at war with Islam. What Peter King said above is proof of that.

excon

Im not so sure about the analogy that's being said here. Direct from the site you posted.

Christian Identity | Southern Poverty Law Center

excon · Mar 8, 2011, 12:15 PM

Hello again, dad:

I don't understand your point.

But, let me ask you this. What if a Muslim testifies that he's NOT going to discuss his religious or political views. Is he to be arrested? Are political views on trial? Is he not allowed to practice his religion WITHOUT government interference? What if a Muslim testifies that he IS a radical, and he BELIEVES in jihad. Do we arrest him for what he believes?

excon

cdad · Mar 8, 2011, 12:24 PM

Originally Posted by excon

Hello again, dad:

I don't understand your point.

But, lemme ask you this. What if a Muslim testifies that he's NOT going to discuss his religious or political views. Is he to be arrested? Are political views on trial? Is he not allowed to practice his religion WITHOUT government interference?? What if a Muslim testifies that he IS a radical, and he BELIEVES in jihad. Do we arrest him for what he believes?

excon

You can't arrest someone for their beliefs. Only for their actions. This isn't Tom Cruize in Minority Report and there is no thought police. But if someone claims aliance to something that can cause great harm then I believe they should be watched. Its along the same lines as restraining orders. The thought being that there is a line to be crossed that is invisible. The only time the action can be taken is when it is crossed and not before. We can only tolerate so much premtiveness before we start crossing constitutional lines. Lets face it we are all monitored at some point for something. Not that we are doing something illegal but based on the fact that we may be at some point. Red light cams, Video cams everywhere and the list goes on.

Once a danger is recognized then it must be aknowlaged no matter the source. From there it's a matter of monitoring it and managing it by the flow of information. Free speech and all the free rights we like to think are free come at a cost and many of our service men and woman have paid the unltimate price. Its up to us as a society to safeguard things in their absence.

tomder55 · Mar 8, 2011, 12:56 PM

Ex .For the record . You said that a similar group would be a group Peter King and I would say are God fearing American patriots.

Nothing could be further from the truth. Based on their web site I condemn them in the strongest possible terms ;and would expect all God fearing ,patriotic ,Christian Americans to do the same... just as I have done with the Phelps cult .

speechlesstx · Mar 8, 2011, 03:35 PM

I don't see any environmental groups listed, which as I recall have been responsible for most domestic terrorism for quite some time. Why aren't they listed?

excon · Mar 8, 2011, 04:42 PM

Originally Posted by speechlesstx

I don't see any environmental groups listed, which as I recall have been responsible for most domestic terrorism for quite some time. Why aren't they listed?

Hello Steve:

Yeah, where's Green Peace? They're full of Muslims aren't they?

excon

tomder55 · Mar 8, 2011, 07:11 PM

What about NPR ? Clearly they are a hate group .