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speechlesstx · Jan 24, 2011, 03:31 PM

Why is this not getting the kind of airplay that the tragedy in Tucson received?

PHILADELPHIA (CBS) – A West Philadelphia abortion doctor, his wife and eight other suspects are now under arrest following a grand jury investigation.

Dr. Kermit Gosnell, 69, faces eight counts of murder in the deaths of a woman following a botched abortion at his office, along with the deaths of seven other babies who, prosecutors allege, were born alive following illegal late-term abortions and then were killed by severing their spinal cords with a pair of scissors.

“I am aware that abortion is a hot-button topic,” said District Attorney Seth Williams. “But as district attorney, my job is to carry out the law. A doctor who knowingly and systematically mistreats female patients, to the point that one of them dies in his so-called care, commits murder under the law. A doctor who cuts into the necks severing the spinal cords of living, breathing babies, who would survive with proper medical attention, is committing murder under the law.”

Gosnell is facing charges of murder in the third degree for the death of 41-year-old Karnamaya Mongar. Mrs. Mongar died on November 20, 2009, when she was overdosed with anesthetics prescribed by Gosnell. He is also facing seven murder charges for the deaths of infants who were killed after being born viable and alive during the sixth, seventh, or eighth month of pregnancy. Gosnell is also facing numerous other charges.

Gosnell is suspected of killing hundreds of living babies over the course of his 30-year practice. However, he is not charged because the records do not exist.

DA Williams said Gosnell made approximately $1.8 million in one year alone performing the procedures.

The guy preyed on poor women, delivered viable babies and killed them by severing their spinal cords with scissors. How did this go on for so long?

excon · Jan 24, 2011, 03:47 PM

Hello Steve:

I remember a time when abortion was illegal... Coat hanger abortion was commonplace, and people died...

Since those days ended, you guys have managed to push us back to the point where a legal and safe abortion, for all practical purposes, might as well BE illegal. When safe and legal abortion ISN'T available, especially for the poor, butchers will get some business... Who is surprised by that?

If you manage to repeal Roe, this case is just a prelim.

excon

Fr_Chuck · Jan 24, 2011, 04:00 PM

It goes on because it is not politically correct to challenge abortion rights, the minute you bring up abuse like this, you are anti abortion, Even the pro abortion people should be attacking this person for breaking the law. I doubt he ever goes to trial or if he does, only gets probation.

excon · Jan 24, 2011, 04:17 PM

Hello Padre:

Please note. I'm not PRO abortion. I'm PRO choice. And I DID call this guy a butcher. That's not a friendly term.

excon

tomder55 · Jan 24, 2011, 06:11 PM

I fail to see the distinction between these murders and the murders done legally called 'late term abortions'.

Since 1973 almost 50 million abortions have occurred in the US . We have reached Mao numbers having already surpassed Stalin and Hitler's infamy .

Already, left-wing journalists and activists have rushed to explain that these abortion atrocities ignored for four decades by abortion radicals and rationalizers are not really about abortion. A TIME magazine writer argued that the Philadelphia Horror was "about poverty, not Roe v. Wade." A University of Minnesota professor declared: "This is not about abortion."

Founder of Planned Parenthood Margaret Sanger would argue it's all about eugenics with the goal of creating "a race of thoroughbreds"
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speechlesstx · Jan 25, 2011, 07:57 AM

Originally Posted by excon

I remember a time when abortion was illegal... Coat hanger abortion was commonplace, and people died...

Congratulations on being the first to blame me for this butchery. Sorry, ex, that dog won't hunt.

NeedKarma · Jan 25, 2011, 08:01 AM

Originally Posted by speechlesstx

Congratulations on being the first to blame me for this butchery.

He didn't. You made that up in your head.

speechlesstx · Jan 25, 2011, 08:05 AM

Originally Posted by NeedKarma

He didn't. You made that up in your head.

Yes, he did.

Since those days ended, you guys have managed to push us back to the point where a legal and safe abortion, for all practical purposes, might as well BE illegal. When safe and legal abortion ISN'T available, especially for the poor, butchers will get some business...

speechlesstx · Jan 25, 2011, 08:20 AM

By the way ex, was it also us guys that caused the entire system to fail these women and children? From the Grand Jury report:

One woman, for example, was left lying in place for hours after Gosnell tore her cervix and colon while trying, unsuccessfully, to extract the fetus. Relatives who came to pick her up were refused entry into the building; they had to threaten to call the police. They eventually found her inside, bleeding and incoherent, and transported her to the hospital, where doctors had to remove almost half a foot of her intestines.

On another occasion, Gosnell simply sent a patient home, after keeping her mother waiting for hours, without telling either of them that she still had fetal parts inside her. Gosnell insisted she was fine, even after signs of serious infection set in over the next several days. By the time her mother got her to the emergency room, she was unconscious and near death.

A nineteen-year-old girl was held for several hours after Gosnell punctured her uterus. As a result of the delay, she fell into shock from blood loss, and had to undergo a hysterectomy.

One patient went into convulsions during an abortion, fell off the procedure table, and hit her head on the floor. Gosnell wouldn’t call an ambulance, and wouldn’t let the woman’s companion leave the building so that he could call an ambulance.

Shouldn't the hospitals involved have reported his butchery to the authorities, or is health care so bad in this country that a hospital couldn't tell these women were butchered by an abortionist?

excon · Jan 25, 2011, 08:21 AM

Originally Posted by speechlesstx

Congratulations on being the first to blame me for this butchery. Sorry, ex, that dog won't hunt.

Hello again, Steve:

Ok then, maybe THIS dog will hunt... Assume you're a lawmaker... There are drug addicts who use dirty needles and catch aids from them. There are needle exchange programs for addicts that people like YOU want to eliminate, because drug addicts don't measure up on your moral scale... They're not worthy of help.. So, you write a law saying that drug addicts cannot have new and clean needles... Then you brush your hands and walk away from signing this law feeling all self righteous, and good about yourself.

Like it or not, when you outlaw clean needles, the next addict that catches aids IS on you. When you outlaw abortions, the next coat hanger abortion is on YOU.

excon

speechlesstx · Jan 25, 2011, 08:32 AM

Personal responsibility. Blame everyone but the one responsible for making the choice, whatever it is. Your solution is to deflect blame, rationalize and enable and that's the problem. That's EXACTLY why the pro-abortionists and their left-wing media accomplices have jumped to rationalize this atrocity. There is nothing to rationalize here, it's all black and white.

NeedKarma · Jan 25, 2011, 08:41 AM

Originally Posted by speechlesstx

Personal responsibility.

I agree, let a woman make choices that concern her body. Same thing with choosing who to love - please stay out of people's bedrooms with your politics and religion.

excon · Jan 25, 2011, 08:42 AM

Originally Posted by speechlesstx

Personal responsibility. Blame everyone but the one responsible for making the choice,

Hello again, Steve:

Agreed. Personal responsibility is key.

Blame the butcher, but take NO responsibility for the marketplace that MADE his services available... Blame the shooter, but take NO responsibility for wackos who want people to be "armed and dangerous". Blame the addict, but take NO responsibility for passing laws that created the underground marketplace.

Yeah. You got it right. Personal responsibility. YOURS.

excon

speechlesstx · Jan 25, 2011, 08:50 AM

Originally Posted by NeedKarma

I agree, let a woman make choices that concern her body. Same thing with choosing who to love - please stay out of people's bedrooms with your politics and religion.

I don't place my politics and religion in your bedroom, I want to be nowhere near your bedroom.

Oh, and it isn't politics and religion that says what is inside the pregnant woman's body is human, it's science.

speechlesstx · Jan 25, 2011, 08:59 AM

Originally Posted by excon

Blame the butcher, but take NO responsibility for the marketplace that MADE his services available...

I didn't make his services available, the Supreme Court did.

Blame the shooter, but take NO responsibility for wackos who want people to be "armed and dangerous".

I have never supported wackos wanting people to be "armed and dangerous."

Blame the addict, but take NO responsibility for passing laws

The "war on drugs" actually began in 1914, I had nothing to do with any such laws.

that created the underground marketplace.

So laws against murder created an underground market for murderer?

tomder55 · Jan 25, 2011, 09:10 AM

I was not aware that murder is permissible in the bedroom.

NeedKarma · Jan 25, 2011, 09:15 AM

Originally Posted by tomder55

I was not aware that murder is permissible in the bedroom.

That was in relation to:

Originally Posted by NeedKarma

Same thing with choosing who to love

excon · Jan 25, 2011, 09:26 AM

Originally Posted by speechlesstx

So laws against murder created an underground market for murderer?

Hello again, Steve:

Do I have to explain everything to you? Are we talking here, or are we being hysterical? There is NO underground marketplace for murder. Laws against BEHAVIOR don't create underground markets... Laws against THINGS, do...

Your attitude signifies the self righteousness within which, the right wing operates... You BELIEVE that all you have to do, is DECLARE something illegal, write down some words to that effect, then brush your hands and walk away thinking you did GOOD. The world is purer now.

If somebody should perhaps WANT one of those things you outlawed, THEY'RE the bad person - not you. You're pure, and good, and want everything to be clean and nice. If it isn't, just pass a law and it will all go away, and the world can return to the leave it to beaver world you think it is.

What you don't understand, is that in a free society, when you, by FIAT, limit the marketplace to the choices YOU want people to make, they'll find a way to make the choices THEY want to make.

excon

speechlesstx · Jan 26, 2011, 08:58 AM

Originally Posted by excon

Do I have to explain everything to you? Are we talking here, or are we being hysterical? There is NO underground marketplace for murder. Laws against BEHAVIOR don't create underground markets... Laws against THINGS, do..

.

No, just trying to understand what you're saying. Now you're saying those "choices" (behavior) you've been defending are now "things." You're very confusing.

Your attitude signifies the self righteousness within which, the right wing operates... You BELIEVE that all you have to do, is DECLARE something illegal, write down some words to that effect, then brush your hands and walk away thinking you did GOOD. The world is purer now.

You know better than that about me.

What you don't understand, is that in a free society, when you, by FIAT, limit the marketplace to the choices YOU want people to make, they'll find a way to make the choices THEY want to make.

Then let's stop banning potatoes, trans fats, salt, sodas, alcoholic drinks with caffeine, Happy Meals, smoking and speech you disagree with. The left has their pet bans and plenty of them. I have one, banning the murder of innocent children in the womb.

excon · Jan 26, 2011, 10:14 AM

Originally Posted by speechlesstx

You're very confusing

Hello again, Steve:

Yeah... I don't speak so good. Let me try again...

Under our Constitution, you can tell a guy he can't HIT somebody (behavior). But you can't stop him from buying the bat (thing) to hit him with. Abortion is a thing. It's bought and sold. It's NOT behavior.

You'll get no argument from me about the unconstitutionality of the government telling you what you CAN'T, and what you MUST buy.

excon