[paraclete]

Not so, smoothy, many are hooked as teens, when they aren't thinking of consequences. Your analogies are stinking thinking and it is that sort of thinking that has made US the biggest jailer in the world, their only growth industry at the moment. No one who commits a crime against society is innocent but people who commit a "crime" against themselves aren't in the same class.

Do you understand why people do drugs? It says a lot about the conditions they live in.
Do you think other societies don't have the same availability of drugs? Truth is they are freely available everywhere, but the take up rate is different and it has to do with the structure of society and a society that plays the blame game doesn't have the answers and the incarceration rate proves this

[smoothy]

Not so, smoothy, many are hooked as teens, when they arn't thinking of consequences. Your analogies are stinking thinking and it is that sort of thinking that has made US the biggest jailer in the world, their only growth industry at the moment. No one who commits a crime against society is innocent but people who commit a "crime" against themselves arn't in the same class.

Do you understand why people do drugs? It says a lot about the conditions they live in.
Do you think other societies don't have the same availability of drugs? Truth is they are freely available everywhere, but the take up rate is different and it has to do with the structure of society and a society that plays the blame game doesn't have the answers and the incarceration rate proves this

Doesn't matter... they still did it themselves... no excuses. As they say... Old enough to play... old enough to pay.

Drugs are NOT a valid escape... most kids do them thinking its "Cool" to do so... just like Binge drinking... going Clubbing, etc. People that claim otherwise have never been with that crowd. I'm not so old... or grew up so priveledged I wasn't exposed to it or even saw it regularly.

I saw it... I saw the people do it... I listened to why they did it... I listened to them try to convince me to do it for the same reasons they did. I made the choice not to.

None of them did it to cope... they did it because THEY wanted to party... THEY wanted to do it because THEY wanted to do it.

Nope... nobody is going to get that excuse past me... I spent too much time around that, I saw people using... I saw people dealing... I saw many of them start using... and remember their reasons... because I grew up with them... and none of them was the woe is me... I have things so hard I just have to make them worse.

I know people I was close friends with die... I saw them ruin their lives over things like POT. I have a guy who was a friend who is due to get out in 4 more years from prison in Italy for possession of Hashish... was caught on the jobsite with it by drug sniffing dogs wher I used to work. He was an Engineer for Motorolla Corp. He got 25 years in Don Bosco Prison.

Blaming the dealers for their drug use is like blaming the Cigarette company for your choice to smoke... or the Beer Company for your DUI you got after getting in your car after tossing back a few cold ones.

Sorry victim doesn't apply to drug users... victim does apply to the family killed by the drunk driver... victim does apply to the people who got robbed by the Meth head or the heroin addict needing their next fix.


Actions have consequences... and when you make that action... you are no longer a victim.

[excon]

Hello again:

Marijuana by the numbers:

$36 Billion - the value of the illegal pot industry - the LARGEST cash crop in the country.

$12.5 Billion - the value of our corn crop, its closest competitor.

$6.2 Billion - SAVED in drug prosecution if pot were legalized.

$7.7 Billion - ADDED to the national coffers if taxed like alcohol.

100's of 1,000's of jobs - ADDED to the national workforce if pot were legalized...

In fact, it's being legalized right now, town by town, state by state. I vote we cut to the chase put $13.9 BILLION into our pockets...

excon

[Wondergirl]

In fact, it's being legalized right now, town by town, state by state. I vote we cut to the chase put $13.9 BILLION into our pockets...

What other benefits would there be to legalizing pot? Quality would be controlled? Users would be "controlled"?

[excon]

Hello again, Carol:

Sure. Drug dealers don't ask for ID nor do they test their products. Plus, it would cripple the cartels, and it would STOP ruining the lives of our citizens... Yes, the WAR against pot has ruined many more lives than the drug itself ever has.

excon

[smoothy]

Lame excuse for durg addicts who can't beat their habit.


I suppose you could use the same arguments For Heroin... Cocaine and Meth too. After all... Legalize one... got to legalise them all. Then where does any of it get you.

Drugs are for people that can't cope with life on its own terms.

[Wondergirl]

Drugs are for people that can't cope with life on its own terms.

But drugs, like alcohol and tobacco use, would benefit from being controlled, wouldn't they?

[tomder55]

Many drugs are controlled by being banned. The FDA has a whole slew of them that aren't approved .

[smoothy]

But drugs, like alcohol and tobacco use, would benefit from being controlled, wouldn't they?

Illegal Drugs ARE controlled right now... they are illegal. As they should be.


As far as Tobacco? Except for the fact, tobacco doesn't effect you like alcohol or drugs do as far as reflexes and judgement... I'd lump it in too.

And incidentally... I don't give the drunks a free pass either just so that's clear.

[excon]

Illegal Drugs ARE controlled right now.....they are illegal. As they should be.

Hello again, smoothy and tom:

I think Carol was addressing the REAL WORLD, and not your right wing fantasy. I know they've got some words written down somewhere, and THAT, you believe, KEEPS drugs away from your children...

Is that what you believe?? Really?? Nahh... You're lying... You KNOW you're lying, and you know that your political blinders won't let you STOP lying... You're on automatic. Poor fellows.

excon

[smoothy]

Hello again, smoothy and tom:

I think Carol was address a REAL WORLD situation, and not your right wing fantasy. I know they've got some words written down somewhere, and THAT, you believe, KEEPS drugs away from your children....

Is that what you believe???? Really???? Nahh... You're lying... You KNOW you're lying, but your political blinders won't let you STOP lying.... You're on automatic. Poor fellows.

excon

At least we aren't stoners that have nothing better in their life to focus on then getting high... or worrying about getting stoned.

What to talk about the REAL WORLD... how about giving up the drugs and joining it.

The real world doesn't get stoned or worry about getting stoned. Drug addicts do.

How would I keep drugs out of my kids hands... First I'd kill the SOB dealer... thats really not all that hard, no real loss to the world either.. Then if my kids screwed with drugs... if they thought reality was hard to deal with... wait until they found out what hard really is.

[paraclete]

I have to ask... what are you guys smokin?