[paraclete]

And Australia ? I'm sure the aboriginal population alway sang 'God Save the Queen' .

Well they did, it's just we couldn't understand what they were saying. From the earliest aboriginees were included and even travelled to the UK. No, Tom, we arrived to an empty continent there was just flora and fauna. Don't listen to those hybrids, the white aboriginees. According to them we will soon celebrate invasion day. The aborigine still lives in the Northern Territory and Western Australia on their own lands. We didn't conduct wars and make and break treaties. Most of the time you couldn't find more than a few aboriginees. We didn't conquer, we didn't buy the land from a foreign power and we didn't institute invasions of our neighbours and take their land away from them.

[tomder55]

So you did not have other European powers to compete against ,and your aboriginals did not threaten your outposts. The net result is the same... a European power colonized land they did not originally come from. The aboriginals talk of disposession from their land .What does that mean ? There was no forced relocations ? What were the 'Frontier Wars ' ?

[paraclete]

So you did not have other European powers to compete against ,and your aboriginals did not threaten your outposts. The net result is the same ....a European power colonized land they did not originally come from. The aboriginals talk of disposession from their land .What does that mean ? There was no forced relocations ? What were the 'Frontier Wars ' ?

Forced relocations, let's start with the thousands who suffer forced relocation from Britain, the poms could go home at the end of their tour of duty but the convicts stayed on, not wishing to dispossess anyone. There were no wars, a few skermishs with isolated groups who didn't object to all, just some. Those who came were luckly not to suffer the same fate as Jamestown. What happened is disease wiped out the aboriginals not warfare by an invading power. The early settlers were favourably disposed towards the aboriginals but one or two aboriginals harboured a grudge because of poor treatment.

I don't know what frontier you are talking about the whole continent was a frontier

[tomder55]

Australian frontier wars - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[paraclete]

Australian frontier wars - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

A colourful portrail of what I described earlier, skermishes. You could not describe what happen as wars but, at best, police actions following killings or raids. The difference between aboriginal people and europeans was land ownership and land use and this is what produced conflict. Europeans regarded any land not under cultivations or settlement as open land whereas aboriginals did not cultivate or settle but were nomadic hunter gatherers. So aboriginals did not recognise ownership either of land or stock. Theirs was an egalagarian society based on common ownership, a concept foreign even for another century to europeans. You could descripe this as the first conflict between a communist system and a capitalist system. Interestingly you would prefer the capitalist over the communist but criticise the british handing of the situation. Please remember when you look at these times you are dealing with the British not the Australian mindset. That mindset was very evident in america in the eighteenth and nineteenth century and persists even today

Anyway way the hell does this have to do with Mexico

[adthern]

I have to agree with you Ex. I personally believe drug use is a bad idea and will continue to teach my kids to "just say no." However, prohibition has never worked, not in the 20's and not now. Legalize it, tax it, regulate it and hell use the money to fund rehabs for all I care. Take the massive amounts of money out oof it and you take the inducement away for the criminals. The kidnappings and murders are far worse damage than if people could buy cocaine and pot at the local walgreens for 2.99 a pound.

Imagine if alcohol had never been illegal, no mafia, Chicago would have been a law abiding city... IMHO