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excon · Jan 15, 2011, 12:19 PM

Hello:

The drug war in Mexico USED to be a police issue, like it is here... No more. The cartels have ramped it up to resemble a real war. Not surprisingly, they're winning... They've taken over huge swaths of Mexico and are poised to take over the entire country. It's not going to be good for us with a narco state on our border - not good at all.

We can END it with the stroke of a pen... Or we can engage in it. I vote for the pen. But, nobody listens to me.

excon

cdad · Jan 15, 2011, 01:13 PM

What exactly did you have in mind that the power of the pen is supposed to do? The Taliban is also a drug cartel. Im not sure its going to be so simple.

excon · Jan 15, 2011, 01:19 PM

Originally Posted by califdadof3

What exactly did you have in mind that the power of the pen is supposed to do? The Taliban is also a drug cartel. Im not sure its going to be so simple.

Hello dad:

We can put them out of business too. We just end the drug war. They'll all go back to being farmers. It may not be so simple, but it surly isn't that hard.

excon

Wondergirl · Jan 15, 2011, 01:23 PM

Originally Posted by excon

We can put them out of business too. We just end the drug war. They'll all go back to being farmers.

They are miners too, don't forget. Lots of treasure under that country.

Also, *greenie* for the perfect solution.

cdad · Jan 15, 2011, 01:26 PM

Originally Posted by excon

Hello dad:

We can put them out of business too. We just end the drug war. They'll all go back to being farmers. It may not be so simple, but it surly isn't that hard.

excon

In a perfect world that could happen. But not in the one we currently live in. I fear that those already drunk with power that they have wouldn't just let it go. Making drugs legal and providing a pipeline for it will only reduce the price. I believe the control issues would still be there.

excon · Jan 15, 2011, 01:42 PM

Originally Posted by califdadof3

Making drugs legal and providing a pipeline for it will only reduce the price.

Hello again, dad:

Then we could make them free, and throw in rehab on demand too. That'll for SURE put 'em out of business and cost us a hell of a lot less.

excon

cdad · Jan 15, 2011, 01:49 PM

Originally Posted by excon

Hello again, dad:

Then we could make them free, and throw in rehab on demand too. That'll for SURE put 'em out of business and cost us a hell of a lot less.

excon

Still an unrealistic expectation. Right now it IS the cartel's that are in control of the fields growing the drugs. So instead your going to make them plantation owners is all. Making it "free" isn't realistic unless you plan on crossing the boarder and taking it. If grown and harvested here there would be the all the laws and regulations that would have to be overcome just to get started.

excon · Jan 15, 2011, 01:55 PM

Originally Posted by califdadof3

Still an unrealistic expectation.

Hello again, dad:

Nope... We have the means to control the production and distribution RIGHT here within our borders... Think of the jobs it'll create.. Why send a nickel over there?

When I said it would put them out of business, I wasn't kidding.

excon

paraclete · Jan 15, 2011, 02:24 PM

So ex you want the US to become a narco state?

excon · Jan 15, 2011, 02:27 PM

Hello clete:

No, I want the US to be a FREE state.

excon

tomder55 · Jan 15, 2011, 02:35 PM

I see . All we have to do is make every dangerous drug legal and Mexico will suddenly stop being a failed state .

This reminds me a bit of Colombia back in the 80s . Everyone was sure the Narco-terrorists FARC was going to defeat the government . Now FARC is still an insurgency.But there is no serious threat of the government collapsing . Juan Manuel Santos has all but defeated those narco-terrorists.

The reason the cartels made headway in Mexico is because the government is corrupt and inept.This is a country rich in oil and yet the people leave in droves because of poverty . Remittances from relatives in the US is one of the largest sources of national revenue. Mexico was bordering on a failed state before the cartels set up shop and if the cartels went out of business tomorrow they still would be a failing state.

excon · Jan 15, 2011, 02:43 PM

Originally Posted by tomder55

Mexico was bordering on a failed state before the cartels set up shop and if the cartels went out of business tomorrow they still would be a failing state.

Hello tom:

You confuse me with a person who gives a damn about Mexico.. My post, and my interest is in the preservation of THIS country...

excon

Wondergirl · Jan 15, 2011, 02:43 PM

Maybe we could make Mexico our 51st state, thus better controlling the drug trade and drug abuses, plus adding great vacations spots, large amounts of untapped treasures, and scores of untrained but willing workers who will do all the drudgery for us.

paraclete · Jan 15, 2011, 04:12 PM

Originally Posted by Wondergirl

Maybe we could make Mexico our 51st state, thus better controlling the drug trade and drug abuses, plus adding great vacations spots, large amounts of untapped treasures, and scores of untrained but willing workers who will do all the drudgery for us.

Well why not? You took two thirds of their country in the eighteenth century. It is only fair to move the border south and complete what NAFTA was put in place to achieve. Then you could civilise those poor peasants by teaching them english and changing the culture to fast food. An immediate workers utopia fueled by hambergers and southern fried chicken, you all

tomder55 · Jan 15, 2011, 04:52 PM

Originally Posted by paraclete

well why not? You took two thirds of their country in the eighteenth century. It is only fair to move the border south and complete what NAFTA was put in place to achieve. Then you could civilise those poor peasants by teaching them english and changing the culture to fast food. An immediate workers utopia fueled by hambergers and southern fried chicken, you all

The Reconquistas will take care of that problem soon .Oregon will be the southern border .

paraclete · Jan 15, 2011, 06:04 PM

Originally Posted by tomder55

The Reconquistas will take care of that problem soon .Oregon will be the southern border .

The southern border of Canada? The US is an artificial construct anyway, a land acquired from the indians, the French, the Spanish, the British, the Russians, tHe Hawaiians

earl237 · Jan 15, 2011, 07:58 PM

Would decriminalizing marijuana help reduce violence and put drug cartels out of business? I heard it is already semi-legal to possess small amounts in 12 or 13 states. I wonder if crime is any lower in those states.

tomder55 · Jan 15, 2011, 08:12 PM

Cigarettes are legal and still there is an organized crime business in smuggling them. Most states have lotteries and still organized crime run numbers.

Fr_Chuck · Jan 15, 2011, 08:13 PM

Didn't we just surrender to the Mexicans, I read we will no longer be buiding that invisible fence on the boarder. So now they know where we are not stopping anyone

tomder55 · Jan 15, 2011, 08:15 PM

Originally Posted by paraclete

The southern border of Canada? The US is an artificial construct anyway, a land acquired from the indians, the French, the Spanish, the British, the Russians, tHe Hawaiians

And Australia ? I'm sure the aboriginal population always sang 'God Save the Queen' .