[excon]

Now it's the hatred of gays runs that deep? Bullsh*t, Americans are by and large past racism and we don't hate gays.

Hello again, Steve:

In YOUR Pollyanna world, it's so... But in the real world where twink and I live, she's spot on.

excon

[speechlesstx]

In YOUR Pollyanna world, it's so... But in the real world where twink and I live, she's spot on.

If you'll remember, I don't live in a Pollyana world, I live in Texas which has been a minority-majority state since 2005, AS A MINORITY in the Hispanic neighborhood in which I've lived for roughly 43 of my 50 years. I also have a bisexual daughter and a number of gay relatives and friends. I don't know if you've noticed but we're not running around hating on each other, we're family friends, neighbors and coworkers. If you can't get along in your liberal part of the world it ain't my fault, so don't 'project' your problems on the rest of us.

[excon]

I also have a bisexual daughter and a number of gay relatives and friends. I don't know if you've noticed but we're not running around hating on each other, we're family friends, neighbors and coworkers.

Hello again, Steve:

You wouldn't be saying, would you, that because YOU have a gay friendly family, that there AREN'T homophobes out there who would LOVE to drag a faggot behind his truck until dead?? Are your blinders THAT BIG?? Dude!!

excon

[speechlesstx]

Here we go again, that's EXACTLY what I'm talking about. You think because I don't qualify everything I say with "yeah, there are exceptions" that you must beat me over the head with the EXCEPTION.

Again, enough of that bulls*t rhetoric. We may not agree on everything but we agree that lynching gays and blacks is a horrible hate crime. So you have a choice, you can keep hammering the wedge in between us, keep portraying us as a bunch of backwoods rednecks that hate gays and blacks or you can acknowledge the very visible progress that's been made in race relations and acceptance of gays.

In other words, like the majority of Americans, I know I'm not a racist or a homophobe, it's time to acknowledge that fact. I don't believe there are going to be a rash of "friendly fire" incidents in the our military against gays. Our military will respond with honor.

General Amos, who was against DADT repeal responded thusly:

“Above all else, we are loyal to the Constitution, our Commander in Chief, Congress, our Chain of Command, and the American people,” said Commandant Gen. Jim Amos, in a prepared statement released Sunday.

… “As stated during my testimony before Congress in September and again during hearings before the Senate Armed Services Committee earlier this month, the Marine Corps will step out smartly to faithfully implement this new policy. I, and the Sergeant Major of the Marine Corps, will personally lead this effort, thus ensuring the respect and dignity due all Marines.

“On this matter, we look forward to further demonstrating to the American people the discipline and loyalty that have been the hallmark of the United States Marine Corps for over 235 years.”

And if a bunch of Islamic jihadists get their a$$es kicked by some gay dudes, all the better if you ask me.

[tomder55]

Hello again,

My friend twink speaks the truth. The hate DOES run that deep. However, in spite of their virulent disagreement with the new rules, I hope our men in uniform aren't murderers. We'll see.

Nonetheless, as a nation, we're to be commended for FINALLY recognizing a civil right, instead of succumbing to homophobia. Is there any doubt, gay marriage is next?

excon

OK , congratulations to the lame duck Dems in overturning a Democrat policy. Well done!

[excon]

ok , congratulations to the lame duck Dems in overturning a Democrat policy. Well done !!

Hello tom:

You diminish the accomplishment - because it's big.

excon

[tomder55]

Low hanging fruit. You can tell it's unimportance by the size of his self congratulatory presser.

His base certainly sees it that way and this will only placate them temporarily.

[excon]

low hanging fruit. You can tell it's unimportance by the size of his self congratulatory presser.

Hello again, tom:

Your poo pooing the accomplishment (TWICE, I might add), betrays your true feelings... You can't fool me. We've been acquainted for a while now...

I suspect you feel like the moral underpinnings holding your country together, are being whittled away.. I understand how you feel. I felt the same way when I saw my country become torturers.

excon

PS> Merry Christmas, my friend.

[Fr_Chuck]

Let me see, we really need to pick someone new to hate, if the way against illegal mexicans is over, if the war against drugs is lost, and we can't hate gays.

I vote for the French, I mean who really likes french food anyway, and they don't speak english, yep, lets give up the other wars and go after them

[Wondergirl]

who really likes french food anyway

At least eat french fries. My son works for the U.S.'s biggest frozen potato/fries supplier to fast-food places, restaurants, and grocery stores.

[NeedKarma]

Let me see, we really need to pick someone new to hate,

Why?

[Fr_Chuck]

We have to have groups to raise money, spend money on advertising both for and against. So you realise how much money is spent on gay rights, both for and against, if that war has ended, an entire section of our economy may close.

are you just unAmerican, Americans have always had an enemy to go after, British ( they even forced churches to close during the Revolution. Then the Indians, then Mexico, then Germany and Japan, then hippies, and drugs and rock and roll, then gays,

So there will always be someone or something that is not being accepted because of some value.

I guess it should be the Christian, since it is moral values that are the issue with people not being moral. That makes them excluded.

[cdad]

Nonetheless, as a nation, we're to be commended for FINALLY recognizing a civil right, instead of succumbing to homophobia. Is there any doubt, gay marriage is next?

excon

So as a nation are we now going to have separate facilities for those that come out? Or is the trampaling of others rights more important? If they don't create the separate then the issues will be forced sexual harassment.

The powers that be need to make all the needed changes before any of this takes effect or they will sink in their own mess.

[smoothy]

Next week the Rainbow league is going to be demanding the standard issue cammo be changed to pink and fusia tones...

And charge that the Straight members of the Military are discriminating against them by refusing to date them and have sex with them.

[NeedKarma]

I guess it should be the Christian, since it is moral values that are the issue with people not being moral. that makes them excluded.

Nah, the new war should be on immoral people then, not christians, since we know that christians (a) haven't cornered the market on morality, and (b) there are just as many christians who do immoral things as non-christians. You guys keep on warring and wasting money.

[excon]

Or is the trampaling of others rights more important?

Hello again, dad:

The only difference between NOW and in the future, is that a gay person won't have to hide. Straight soldiers are NOW taking showers with gay people, even though they don't know it. KNOWING it, won't confer additional rights on the straight soldier.

excon

[Wondergirl]

Next week the Rainbow league is going to be demanding the standard issue cammo be changed to pink and fusia tones...

Of the ten or so (wonderful) gay people I know, none of them would demand this. All blend very nicely and seamlessly into the work world and social whirl. I found out about most of them when I met their SO.

[speechlesstx]

I vote for the French, I mean who really likes french food anyway, and they don't speak english, yep, lets give up the other wars and go after them

I like a nice Beaujolais.

[cdad]

Hello again, dad:

The only difference between NOW and in the future, is that a gay person won't have to hide. Straight soldiers are NOW taking showers with gay people, even though they don't know it. KNOWING it, won't confer additional rights on the straight soldier.

excon

I beg to differ on you with this one. But when you have a person that has come out then they will need to be held separate just like the sexes have been held separate. It's the same type of thing. How do you see it different??

[Wondergirl]

I beg to differ on you with this one. But when you have a person that has come out then they will need to be held seperate just like the sexes have been held seperate. Its the same type of thing. How do you see it different???

Do blacks or Asians shower separately from whites?