[paraclete]

Mark Arbib Is A Confidential Contact Of US Embassy | WikiLeaks

Interesting revelation here which taken to its logical conclusion could show that the US was actively involved in the ousting of Kevin Rudd as Australian Prime Minister. Wikileaks hasn't been favourable to Rudd in recent days but has now demonstrated that we have a US agent in Labor ranks and that person is a power broker and was behind the replacement of Rudd. So how far do the conspiracies go? It is well known Obama and Rudd didn't get on and Obama has cancelled visits to Australia on a number of occasions but has he also taken covert action?

[tomder55]

I accept your thanks... although if the US was involved it doesn't surprise me that the Obots would prefer Red Julia.

I like the cut of this Senator Arbib's jib. How soon can he be PM ?

[paraclete]

I accept your thanks.....although if the US was involved it doesn't suprise me that the Obots would prefer Red Julia.

I like the cut of this Senator Arbib's jib. How soon can he be PM ?

Tom whilst I have no love for Krudd, he is my Krudd not yours and not yours to depose. We have mechanisms. I think you know it as democracy, a faint whisper of which may have reached your land, which would have done a far better job than the mess we are left with. What you wanted is someone you could control, someone who wouldn't walk the world stage with you and what have you got? A little red mouse. And red in every sense. Be content, for your plan succeeded. We don't want faceless men like Arbib governing us as a puppet state of the US

[excon]

Hello wingers:

May I determine from your posts that you feel BETTER informed because of Wikkileaks??

Never mind. You don't have to answer.

excon

[tomder55]

But I will anyway. Wikileaks confirms some of the stuff I already knew from open source information . The cost is exactly the type of information revealed in this OP... that an MP in the Aussie government was feeding us valuable information. That source is probably dried up now. But I am not concerned for his safety like I am for the many other assets that have now become public knowledge .

Are you doing Snoopy dances knowing that locations deemed critical to defend and secure against attack have been exposed to jihadistan ?

And what happened to your alleged preference to jaw jaw and soft power and diplomacy . These leaks have severely weakened our ability to conduct those very things you claim to favor.

[excon]

And what happened to your alleged preference to jaw jaw and soft power and diplomacy . These leaks have severely weakened our ability to conduct those very things you claim to favor.

Hello again, tom:

They'll ask us if we FIXED our security problems, and we'll tell them we have. Then, business as usual. I only HOPE we DO fix it. But, I fear our security apparatus is SOOOO large, and SOOO cumbersome, that we know LESS than we ever did about the world, and the holes in our security are bigger than ever.

excon

[tomder55]

In other words you are in favor of smaller government ? So in fact ,you are not in favor of the transparency that Jullian Assange advocates ? That he is not the hero of a free press ? That there are in fact some secrets that it is worth keeping ?

I would argue that diplomacy done in secret has prevented more wars than it has caused . Do you agree ?

[excon]

I would argue that diplomacy done in secret has prevented more wars than it has caused . Do you agree ?

Hello again, tom:

Sure. Then you make certain the email you use to tell the president is secure. Easy peasy. This isn't a diplomatic problem.. It's a technical problem, or it's a personnel problem. Both are fixable. Easy peasy.

excon

[paraclete]

Ex this all smacks of poor security and intelligence. So nothing has changed since 9/11 excepting the length of the queques at airports. Opportunists are everywhere and wikileaks took advantage of an opportunity. Once again governments want to shoot the messenger instead of cleaning house.

[tomder55]

Yes ;and Julius Rosenberg also exposed weakness in US security. He was doing us a favor too.

[excon]

yes ;and Julius Rosenberg also exposed weakness in US security. He was doing us a favor too.

Hello again, tom:

That comparison, my friend, is ridiculous... Let's face it. You LIKE government secrets. I don't know WHY. For a guy who thinks government IS the problem, you sure like to give 'em lots of power. And, newspapers should cover the May Day dance.

That, ISN'T my vision of America.

excon

[paraclete]

yes ;and Julius Rosenberg also exposed weakness in US security. He was doing us a favor too.

Undoubtedly, without him you would have gone blissfully on thinking there wasn't a problem, but I see you have learned nothing because one man still has the ability to get all the information he wants