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Just Looking · Oct 4, 2010, 08:43 PM

Originally Posted by morgaine300

I forgot about this. And how I hate these "not" questions. (Never mind that I accidentally asked one.)

So does this mean the numbers he says ARE a birthday or year? No

And did you take "year" to mean birth year? Yes

I missed this earlier.

Just Looking · Oct 4, 2010, 08:45 PM

I think you missed #793.

Do you know I wanted to go back to the actual posts to see something (not trusting what I copied to my wordpad file) and didn't even know where it began. Anal me did not write the post this started in! (711 by the way) This has gotten long.

So in his spoken reply, he said a number (or numbers) and also said something else?[/QUOTE]

That's correct. He said a number and other words.

morgaine300 · Oct 4, 2010, 09:26 PM

OK, some more things to clarify, and then hopefully I can get back to my other questions. This is stuff I've been looking at:

Did he tell the lie, and tell the truth at the same time? i.e. he only said one thing and that was a lie and the truth both? Yes.

Was it the written answer that was misleading vs the spoken answer? No

He wrote something, and this was the truth. Needs clarified.

I've been under the impression that the written part was the truth, but you just answered that it needs clarified.

He's told a lie and a truth. We know the spoken part was a lie. I also asked if it was the written answer that was misleading and you said no.

Now, I'm taking that to mean then the written answer was the truth if that was not the misleading statement. You're saying this isn't quite correct? And needs clarified?

Then back up to that top question. I asked if this was at the same time, as in, he said "one thing" and it was both the truth and a lie. Meaning a) you took "said" literally and that the spoken part is both truth and lie. Or b) it wasn't "one thing" cause there was a spoken and a written. Somehow this is creating a conflict in my mind.

Questions that might clear it up depending on the answer:

Did the spoken part contain both truth and lie?
Did the written part contain both truth and lie?
Was there more than one truth?
Was there more than one lie?

morgaine300 · Oct 4, 2010, 09:30 PM

Is it relevant what this paper was he wrote on?

You said the recruiter didn't look at the writing.
But did the recruiter take the paper (and just not look at it)?
Was the paper going to go to someone else (some 3rd party)?

morgaine300 · Oct 4, 2010, 09:32 PM

Did he state his age relative to something else? (For example, I'm 2 years older than the requirement, or I'm a year younger than my brother.)

Just Looking · Oct 4, 2010, 09:36 PM

OK, some more things to clarify, and then hopefully I can get back to my other questions. This is stuff I've been looking at:

I've been under the impression that the written part was the truth, but you just answered that it needs clarified.

He's told a lie and a truth. We know the spoken part was a lie. I also asked if it was the written answer that was misleading and you said no.

Now, I'm taking that to mean then the written answer was the truth if that was not the misleading statement. You're saying this isn't quite correct? Right - the written part was neither truth or lie, but was used to imply. And needs clarified? I think it is now clarified by your answers below.

Then back up to that top question. I asked if this was at the same time, as in, he said "one thing" and it was both the truth and a lie. Meaning a) you took "said" literally and that the spoken part is both truth and lie. Or b) it wasn't "one thing" cause there was a spoken and a written. Somehow this is creating a conflict in my mind.

Questions that might clear it up depending on the answer:

Did the spoken part contain both truth and lie? Yes, the spoken part was intentionally a lie and was technically the truth.
Did the written part contain both truth and lie? Goes back to this: This is a tricky one. The written part does not indicate or imply his age, but is used to imply it. I know that is confusing, but you will get the gist when you figure this out.
Was there more than one truth? No
Was there more than one lie? No

Just Looking · Oct 4, 2010, 09:40 PM

Is it relevant what this paper was he wrote on? I think it would help you to know more about the paper.

You said the recruiter didn't look at the writing. Correct
But did the recruiter take the paper (and just not look at it)? No
Was the paper going to go to someone else (some 3rd party)? No

Did he state his age relative to something else? (For example, I'm 2 years older than the requirement, or I'm a year younger than my brother.) No

Unknown008 · Oct 4, 2010, 11:03 PM

Was the piece of paper his, and not for the officer?

Is it relevant by how old his lie makes him be? (ie is it relevant that he could be taken as being older by 1 year, 2 years, etc)

Is he writing numbers on the piece of paper?
- Letters?
- Tally?
- Other symbols to count?

So, what he is writing down is not what he is saying. Right?

Just Looking · Oct 4, 2010, 11:31 PM

Was the piece of paper his, and not for the officer? He was not going to give it to anyone.

Is it relevant by how old his lie makes him be? (ie is it relevant that he could be taken as being older by 1 year, 2 years, etc) Yes

Is he writing numbers on the piece of paper? yes
- Letters? No
- Tally? No
- Other symbols to count? No

So, what he is writing down is not what he is saying. Right? What he wrote down is not exactly what he said.

morgaine300 · Oct 4, 2010, 11:33 PM

So the guy just kept the paper for himself?

So, he spoke something that was both truth and lie. He wrote something entirely different that was neither truth nor lie, but somehow helped imply something in what he said, but perhaps was not deceptive in and of itself? This means the "truth" in the scenario is a spoken one, and not the written part, correct? (Cause that confused the heck out of me.)

All correct?

Since you said the truth was not about his age, it must have been about the other words he spoke truthfully which helped with the deception?

I think I've been confused for a while cause I thought you answered something early on differently, but there it is in black and white. Big waste of time. But I think I get the "gist" of how it all came across, but now just have to figure out what it was.

OK, need to make a quick run to the store (late, I know) and I'll see what's happening when I return.

morgaine300 · Oct 4, 2010, 11:37 PM

Is he writing numbers on the piece of paper? Yes. - Doh, I don't think anyone ever bothered to ask this before.

Is what he wrote down somewhat similar to what he said? (You said "not exactly.")

Just Looking · Oct 4, 2010, 11:38 PM

So the guy just kept the paper for himself? Yes

So, he spoke something that was both truth and lie. Yes He wrote something entirely different that was neither truth nor lie, but somehow helped imply something in what he said, but perhaps was not deceptive in and of itself? This means the "truth" in the scenario is a spoken one, and not the written part, correct? (Cause that confused the heck out of me.) Yes, the spoken part is the truth and the lie. The written part is in itself neither truth or a lie.

All correct? Yes

Since you said the truth was not about his age, it must have been about the other words he spoke truthfully which helped with the deception? Yes

I think I've been confused for a while cause I thought you answered something early on differently, but there it is in black and white. Big waste of time. But I think I get the "gist" of how it all came across, but now just have to figure out what it was.
I've read my answers a few times and haven't found a blooper yet. There are some answers that were quite literal that may have confused you, but once you figure this out they are correct. I'll go double check again, though.

Unknown008 · Oct 4, 2010, 11:41 PM

Well, I need to ask this then:

Does his lie make him older by a year?
- Two years?
- Three years?
- More!

Did the number he wrote include other symbols like '.', '/', etc?
- Or just plain numbers?
- With spacing (eg. 641 684 643)? (as opposed to 6384164)
- Does it matter?
- Is it relevant to know with what he is writing?

Just Looking · Oct 4, 2010, 11:43 PM

Well, I need to ask this then:

Does his lie make him older by a year? Only relevant that it makes him older, but we don't know his real age. I think 1-2 years tops.
- Two years?
- Three years?
- More!

Did the number he wrote include other symbols like '.', '/', etc? No
- Or just plain numbers? Yes
- With spacing (eg. 641 684 643)? (as opposed to 6384164) No spacing
- Does it matter? Yes
- Is it relevant to know with what he is writing? Sorry - misread this. No - it doesn't matter what he wrote with.

Just Looking · Oct 4, 2010, 11:45 PM

Is he writing numbers on the piece of paper? Yes. - Doh, I don't think anyone ever bothered to ask this before.

Is what he wrote down somewhat similar to what he said? (You said "not exactly.") Yes, there's something in common.

Unknown008 · Oct 4, 2010, 11:57 PM

Is there something about reading the numbers in the other way?

(For example, I write 654 but read 456?)

Just Looking · Oct 5, 2010, 12:06 AM

Originally Posted by Just Looking

So the guy just kept the paper for himself? Yes

So, he spoke something that was both truth and lie. Yes He wrote something entirely different that was neither truth nor lie, but somehow helped imply something in what he said, but perhaps was not deceptive in and of itself? Not entirely different This means the "truth" in the scenario is a spoken one, and not the written part, correct? (Cause that confused the heck out of me.) Yes, the spoken part is the truth and the lie. The written part is in itself neither truth or a lie.

All correct? Yes Except the entirely different

Since you said the truth was not about his age, it must have been about the other words he spoke truthfully which helped with the deception? Yes

I think I've been confused for a while cause I thought you answered something early on differently, but there it is in black and white. Big waste of time. But I think I get the "gist" of how it all came across, but now just have to figure out what it was.
I've read my answers a few times and haven't found a blooper yet. There are some answers that were quite literal that may have confused you, but once you figure this out they are correct. I'll go double check again, though.

I meant to comment on this earlier and didn't.

I checked all my answers and feel they are fine. What is confusing are questions that refer to "his age". Since he lied, it was hard to answer these at times.

Just Looking · Oct 5, 2010, 12:10 AM

Originally Posted by Unknown008

Is there something about reading the numbers in the other way?

(For example, I write 654 but read 456?)

No

morgaine300 · Oct 5, 2010, 01:33 AM

Originally Posted by Just Looking

I checked all my answers and feel they are fine. What is confusing are questions that refer to "his age". Since he lied, it was hard to answer these at times.

I didn't mean you. The real truth is I'm not even sure if anything you said is off.

No, first I asked if the truth he told was about his age, you said no, and somewhere I got stuck in my head that you said yes. Entirely my fault, but sure made a difference!

And once Unky brought up the writing thing, for some reason I got it into my head that the paper was the truth one, and the spoken the lie. Despite having specifically asked earlier if what he said all at one time was both truth and lie. I was tying to make sure the scenario statement wasn't being deceptive itself. (I think I covered that pretty thoroughly. :D)

For the moment I'm stuck. But I've got some stuff to do and hopefully will think of something to ask while I'm doing it.

morgaine300 · Oct 5, 2010, 03:03 AM

Did the recruiter give him the piece of paper to write on?

Did he already have the paper with him?

Even though it wasn't a "form," was it still something official?

Did he make (spoken) reference to what he wrote down?

If so, was that reference somehow how he was "technically" telling the truth?

Did he read the paper to the man?

Could the recruiter read?