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Just Looking · Oct 3, 2010, 10:34 PM

Yes, I meant in real life. I can't imagine he'd be dead in the puzzle and still be able to tell anyone anything. (Unless you want to bring the ghosts into it.) Haha - the ghosts. I thought you might be thinking he was dead in the course of the puzzle.

Was his occupation relevant? This is tough to answer. Maybe ask it in another way.

Was his station in life relevant? No

Does "lie" here mean telling something that was factually untrue? yes

Does "telling the truth" here mean something that was factually true? Yes

Or, does "telling the truth" here mean only what he thought to be the truth but perhaps was not? No

I assume this is someone we would not know of through knowing your basic history? (i.e. just some story handed down that your average person would not know) yes - correct

Are there particular circumstances surrounding this lie that are relevant? (How's that for an open-ended question.) Yes

Does "age" mean his actual chronological years of being alive out of a womb? Yes

Is the setting in which this lie telling took place relevant? (Take it any way you like: country, type of area, building, whatever. If you say yes I'll narrow it down later.) The setting could be one of many. You'd be better off skipping this.

Are the people he told the lie to relevant? Yes

(Note that I'm trying to distinguish between circumstances, as in events or relationships, etc. versus setting like the type of location, or both if relevant.) The circumstances are relevant.

morgaine300 · Oct 3, 2010, 10:47 PM

Was he aware that he was lying?

Did he ever die and come back to life?

Are these other people actually people plural?

Are they relatives?

(Did you miss the one in #719 or still thinking?)

I think this is all for now. I really need to concentrate on my other stuff for a while, but I'll be back a bit later and see what else I can cough up.

Just Looking · Oct 3, 2010, 11:05 PM

He lied about his age but he was telling the truth. How could this be?
Was he aware that he was lying? Yes

Did he ever die and come back to life? No

Are these other people actually people plural? One person.

Are they relatives? No

(Did you miss the one in #719 or still thinking?) Sorry - missed it. Based on the assumption this is someone we don't know of (since he wasn't famous), would it be relevant to know the time he lived in? Yes to get to the specific answer, but it could have happened at any time. I don't expect you to get the story it's based on, only how it could be true.

I think this is all for now. I really need to concentrate on my other stuff for a while, but I'll be back a bit later and see what else I can cough up.I'll be going to bed soon. If I wake up, I'll check in - but I'm finally sleeping better.[/QUOTE]

Unknown008 · Oct 3, 2010, 11:29 PM

Okay... if you insist...

Did he lie about his birthday?
- Birth hour?
- Birth year?

Location of birth?
(Maybe he was travelling when he was born, and the certificate said he was in the later country where in fact, he was born in the previous country)

Just Looking · Oct 3, 2010, 11:40 PM

Okay... if you insist... It's much more fun when you play. :)

Did he lie about his birthday? Only his age.
- Birth hour?
- Birth year?

Location of birth? No
(Maybe he was travelling when he was born, and the certificate said he was in the later country where in fact, he was born in the previous country)[/QUOTE]

Unknown008 · Oct 3, 2010, 11:46 PM

Did he lie to a relative of him?

Would his answer be different at a different time, but still holds true and false at the same time?

Just Looking · Oct 3, 2010, 11:50 PM

Did he lie to a relative of him? No

Would his answer be different at a different time, but still holds true and false at the same time? No. He definitely lied about his age.

Unknown008 · Oct 3, 2010, 11:58 PM

Did he lie to someone he knew?
- Was it his friend?

Did he had a good reason to lie about his age?
- Was his life put at sake?

Was the truth he said related to a general truth?
- To something else about him?
- To this someone he lied to?
- To some other relevant detail?

Just Looking · Oct 4, 2010, 12:02 AM

Did he lie to someone he knew? He didn't know the person prior to this.
- Was it his friend?

Did he had a good reason to lie about his age? Debatable, but Yes, he thought so.
- Was his life put at sake? No

Was the truth he said related to a general truth? Yes
- To something else about him? No
- To this someone he lied to? No
- To some other relevant detail? Yes

Unknown008 · Oct 4, 2010, 12:07 AM

Was this truth related to:
- The space?
- Psychology?
- Physics?

Did he thought that the 'someone' was on the 'wrong' track and wanted that person to know the truth?

Was the 'someone' famous?
- Was this person related to a judiciary system?
- Related to some sovereignty?
- Related to politics?

morgaine300 · Oct 4, 2010, 12:11 AM

If I wake up, I'll check in - but I'm finally sleeping better.

I've been sleeping great the last few days. Now if I could just sleep earlier.

Just Looking · Oct 4, 2010, 12:12 AM

Was this truth related to:
- The space? No
- Psychology? No
- Physics? No

Did he thought that the 'someone' was on the 'wrong' track and wanted that person to know the truth? No

Was the 'someone' famous? No
- Was this person related to a judiciary system? No
- Related to some sovereignty? No
- Related to politics? No

morgaine300 · Oct 4, 2010, 12:15 AM

Okay... if you insist...

You exaggerate, sir. I merely mentioned it. :p

Would his answer be different at a different time, but still holds true and false at the same time? No. He definitely lied about his age.

Was the truth he said related to a general truth? Yes.
- To something else about him? No.
- To this someone he lied to? No.
- To some other relevant detail? Yes.

I'm sorry, but I'm not understanding these questions.

morgaine300 · Oct 4, 2010, 12:20 AM

Did he tell the lie, and tell the truth at the same time? i.e. he only said one thing and that was a lie and the truth both?

Just Looking · Oct 4, 2010, 12:21 AM

Originally Posted by morgaine300

You exaggerate, sir. I merely mentioned it. :p

I'm sorry, but I'm not understanding these questions.

I twisted his arm on the Mysteries thread. :)

This is what the questions meant to me:

Was the truth he said related to a general truth? Yes.
- To something else about him? No.
- To this someone he lied to? No.
- To some other relevant detail? Yes.

What he said could be deemed truthful (a general truth), but what he said was not something else about him (e.g. his clothes were the age he lied about). It had nothing to do with the person he lied to - it could have been any person and his lie would still be truthful. The relevant detail is what you are trying to figure out - how could he have told the truth when we know he lied. There is a detail that makes it all make sense.

Just Looking · Oct 4, 2010, 12:21 AM

Originally Posted by morgaine300

Did he tell the lie, and tell the truth at the same time? i.e. he only said one thing and that was a lie and the truth both?

Yes

morgaine300 · Oct 4, 2010, 12:22 AM

Was his occupation relevant? This is tough to answer. Maybe ask it in another way.

Was his occupation relevant to the circumstances but not to the lie itself?

morgaine300 · Oct 4, 2010, 12:25 AM

Guess I don't get what "general truth" is supposed to mean. Since I already asked if the truth was also about his age (and therefore not something else), I'm going to pretend that this is not important to me.

Just Looking · Oct 4, 2010, 12:27 AM

Was his occupation relevant to the circumstances but not to the lie itself?
No. There is something to this line of questioning, but it's just a little "off".

morgaine300 · Oct 4, 2010, 12:30 AM

Don't worry, Unky. History is not my forte either. Or at least, there's many 'popular' history topics I don't know. There are a few things I know a decent amount about cause they happen to interest me.

I know where she got this from and the "historical" type puzzles they do don't generally require a knowledge of history, so I didn't let that scare me.