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morgaine300 · Sep 30, 2010, 09:53 PM

Are these other people employees? Are they customers/clients? Are they working with the man?

Is the man working for the garbage pickup company?

Just Looking · Sep 30, 2010, 10:03 PM

Gordon faithfully takes the trash out daily, a task for which his wife is quite grateful. However, it so happened that on this particular day, his menial chore cost another man thousands of dollars. Explain.

Originally Posted by morgaine300

Work ended up being hectic, so I even ran over. Thursday is such a long day, I'm so glad I have Friday off. So no new questions for this second, but some clarifications...

(Not sure why this is getting so confusing.) It's probably my answers. :p

But if he's doing some kind of work for the business, I would think this is a flat out no. Or is there really something more (weird) going on here? There is something more unusual going on here.

HA! See, I caught that you specifically said not an employee, instead of just saying no. :p I thought I worded that well, and I'm glad you caught it.

Well, I thought it was amusing. You are funny.

Speaking of clarifying, so having "seen each other at least once" just means now, in the scenario, right? They've never seen each other prior to this day, right? Something tells me this is not even terribly relevant. Yes, they are just now seeing each other in this scenario. I think it's somewhat relevant.

I really love when you say that when I'm still pretty clueless. :D I might be narrowing down the setting, but I still don't know what happened. I was trying to be funny this time.

OK, off to find food and then I'll see if I can get 3 billion questions in first and beat Unky. ;)

Originally Posted by morgaine300

Are these other people employees? Are they customers/clients? Are they working with the man? Yes, they are working with the man.

Is the man working for the garbage pickup company? No

Okay, I'll go catch a little TV and check back later.

Unknown008 · Sep 30, 2010, 10:42 PM

Hm... Is Gordon doing the work that the man and his 'helpers' usually do and hence, the latter cannot do their work properly and hence, they lose?

Is there something in the trash that the man would use? (recycling for example)

Are the workers of the man 'angry' at Gordon? Because they would lose their jobs?

Does Gordon sent the trash to somewhere after taking it out?

Just Looking · Sep 30, 2010, 10:54 PM

Hm... Is Gordon doing the work that the man and his 'helpers' usually do and hence, the latter cannot do their work properly and hence, they lose? No

Is there something in the trash that the man would use? (recycling for example) No

Are the workers of the man 'angry' at Gordon? I'm sure they were annoyed. Because they would lose their jobs? No

Does Gordon sent the trash to somewhere after taking it out? Irrelevant

Just Looking · Sep 30, 2010, 11:05 PM

Quote:
Was the man a customer/client at the business? Kinda/sort of.

But if he's doing some kind of work for the business, I would think this is a flat out no. Or is there really something more (weird) going on here?

This is bothering me a little, so in the interest of not steering you wrong I think I have to clarify a little here. There is some sort of business-related relationship between the man and the business.

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But if he's doing some kind of work for the business, I would think this is a flat out no. Or is there really something more (weird) going on here? There is something more unusual going on here.

There is a false assumption in this question.

Unknown008 · Sep 30, 2010, 11:10 PM

Is the business employing the man and his workers?
- To do something relevant?
- To take out the trash?

Did Gordon take out and threw away something he shouldn't?

Just Looking · Sep 30, 2010, 11:32 PM

Is the business employing the man and his workers? No
- To do something relevant? No
- To take out the trash? No
Did Gordon take out and threw away something he shouldn't? No

Unknown008 · Sep 30, 2010, 11:40 PM

Do the man and his workers have their company adjacent to the building where Gordon is a janitor?
Is Gordo throwing the trash somewhere he shouldn't?

Just Looking · Sep 30, 2010, 11:45 PM

Do the man and his workers have their company adjacent to the building where Gordon is a janitor? No
Is Gordo throwing the trash somewhere he shouldn't? No

Unknown008 · Oct 1, 2010, 12:01 AM

Is it even relevant what the trash contains?
Is the action of taking the trash outside (from building to outside, excluding throwing it away) that engender the loss of money?
Were the workers so annoyed that they didn't want to work any more for the man?
Is there yet other people involved besides Gordon, his wife, the man and his workers?

morgaine300 · Oct 1, 2010, 12:03 AM

OK, some more clarifying:

How about this: The man works for another company and that other company conducts business with this company? Hence, he's there working, AT the company, but not FOR the company? (It took me a while to find that I'd said "at" one place and "for" another place.) And, this could also explain how he could "sort of" be a customer/client, because his company is the client?

I hope this one doesn't cause further confusion cause I'm having a hard time articulating this right:
Are these other people employees? Are they customers/clients? Are they working with the man? Yes, they are working with the man.
When I re-read this, I realized that this could have been misinterpreted, and see that you did not answer the 3 questions. These were 3 individual questions. But I could see where it could be taken that I'm asking if the people work for Gordon's company, and working with this man. So I want to clarify that what you meant is what I did, that they do NOT work for Gordon's company, but that they "work with" the man as fellow workers. I hope I'm making sense. Unky has asked questions based on this exact thing and you haven't corrected him about it, so I'm for the moment assuming this is right.

OK, now that I have that out of the way... back to my other questions.

Just Looking · Oct 1, 2010, 12:05 AM

Is it even relevant what the trash contains? No
Is the action of taking the trash outside (from building to outside, excluding throwing it away) that engender the loss of money? No
Were the workers so annoyed that they didn't want to work any more for the man? No
Is there yet other people involved besides Gordon, his wife, the man and his workers? Yes, one other relevant character. :o

Unknown008 · Oct 1, 2010, 12:09 AM

Originally Posted by Just Looking

Is there yet other people involved besides Gordon, his wife, the man and his workers? Yes, one other relevant character. :o

LOL! You're going to make me crazy :p

Is this last person a man?
Is the work of this last person relevant?
Is this person in the building too?

Does it all happen in a movie studio? Theatre? (This puzzle seems so... improbable to occur in real life :rolleyes:)

Just Looking · Oct 1, 2010, 12:11 AM

OK, some more clarifying:

How about this: The man works for another company and that other company conducts business with this company? Hence, he's there working, AT the company, but not FOR the company? (It took me a while to find that I'd said "at" one place and "for" another place.) And, this could also explain how he could "sort of" be a customer/client, because his company is the client? I said kinda/sort of because they aren't exactly a customer or client of the business, but there is a business relationship. It was the first question that was tying the man to the business and I didn't want to just say no.

I hope this one doesn't cause further confusion cause I'm having a hard time articulating this right:
Are these other people employees? Are they customers/clients? Are they working with the man? Yes, they are working with the man.
When I re-read this, I realized that this could have been misinterpreted, and see that you did not answer the 3 questions. These were 3 individual questions. But I could see where it could be taken that I'm asking if the people work for Gordon's company, and working with this man. So I want to clarify that what you meant is what I did, that they do NOT work for Gordon's company, but that they "work with" the man as fellow workers. I hope I'm making sense. Unky has asked questions based on this exact thing and you haven't corrected him about it, so I'm for the moment assuming this is right. Yes, the other people work with the man. They do not work for Gordon's company.

OK, now that I have that out of the way... back to my other questions.

Just Looking · Oct 1, 2010, 12:14 AM

LOL! You're going to make me crazy :p You'll be in good company. ;)

Is this last person a man? Could be a man or woman.
Is the work of this last person relevant? Yes
Is this person in the building too? Probably not when the incident occurred, but this person does work there.

Does it all happen in a movie studio? Theatre? (This puzzle seems so... improbable to occur in real life :rolleyes:) No, it isn't in a movie studio or theater. Actually this puzzle is pretty realistic for the most part. Still, I think you should read some of your old questions and my answers. There's something in there. :D

Unknown008 · Oct 1, 2010, 12:18 AM

Well, I keep rereading them and I think I lose myself in there :eek:

Okay, I'll try once more... and will edit this post if I have new questions.

morgaine300 · Oct 1, 2010, 12:22 AM

I think we could use a summary, through post #568 (I've deleted some duplicates and shortened some of the clarifications and such.)

Is the money considered as a loss? Yes-ish. Or as a 'missed gain'? No
So is the loss an item of value? No, money vs. an item. You'll understand the hesitation when you figure out the loss.

Gordon:
Does "takes the trash out" refer to him taking trash from inside the house to a main garbage can/bin? No. (Versus taking the main garbage can to the curb for pickup, which I would not expect to happen daily. Just checking.) No.
Did he miss a day of taking the trash out? No.
Does Gordon do something else besides taking the trash out which is relevant? Yes-ish.
Given Gordon hasn't done his 'menial' task, would the man still lose thousands of dollars? No, probably not.
Is Gordon's *job* taking out the trash in a building? (rather than taking out the personal trash at home?) Yes.
Is Gordon a human being? Yes.
Does Gordon take out trash in the same manner everyday? (ie he does the same thing besides taking trash out) Yes
Is Gordon sick the day that the loss happens? No.
Does Gordon carry the trash out (as opposed to rolling)? Irrelevant
Is the trash in bags when he takes it out? Irrelevant
Did Gordon bump into someone or something? No
Is Gordon the janitor? Yes
Does he do other forms of maintenance? Not relevant
Does Gordon recognize this man by site? No.

man:
Was the man someone 'anti-feminist'? No.
Was the man Gordon's neighbor? No.
Does the man know Gordon's wife? No.
Was the man ever at Gordon's house? No.
Is the man far away from Gordon? (like less than a kilometre away) No.
Does the man work with the trash? No.
Does the trash (some product in the trash) contain something related to the man? (see my next question to see where I'm driving at) No.
Is the man involved in the manufacture of a product? No.
Does the man work to save the environment? No.
Does this happen in a TV show/movie? I'm taking this to mean that you are asking if Gordon is an actor in a tv show/movie - No.
Is the man keeping a close eye on Gordon? No.
Does the man work at the building as well? No, he's not an employee of/at the building.
OK, was he doing work at the building, but not as an employee? (i.e. contractor or from another company) Yes
Does the man live in the building? No
Was the man a customer/client at the business? Kinda/sort of.
But if he's doing some kind of work for the business, I would think this is a flat out no. Or is there really something more (weird) going on here? There is something more unusual going on here. Added later: There is a false assumption in this question. Also added: This is bothering me a little, so in the interest of not steering you wrong I think I have to clarify a little here. There is some sort of business-related relationship between the man and the business.
Is the man working for the garbage pickup company? No.
Is the business employing the man and his workers? No
- To do something relevant? No
- To take out the trash? No
Do the man and his workers have their company adjacent to the building where Gordon is a janitor? No

Is it relevant what kind of building it is? Yes, but only as detailed by your next questions.
Apartment/condo? No. Office building or some private business? Yes. Store or some public business? No. Public service? No.
Do Gordon and the man come into direct physical contact with each other? (literally) No.
Is there a specific event which takes place while taking out the trash that causes this loss? Yes.
If so, does this event take place while Gordon is inside? Yes. Or outside? No.
Did it take place while Gordon was taking out the garbage? Yes-ish.
Have the man and Gordon seen each other at least once? Yes. Added later: They are just now seeing each other in this scenario. I think it's somewhat relevant.
Did the man and Gordon see each other while the latter was taking out trash? Yes.
Was this intentional No or for some purpose? Yes, but probably not the way you mean it. Or was this by coincidence? Not really coincidence
Is Gordon doing the work that the man and his 'helpers' usually do and hence, the latter cannot do their work properly and hence, they lose? No

Was there something in the trash that was valuable to the man? No.
Is there anything unusual with the trash on that particular day? No.
IS there anything in the trash itself that causes the loss? No.
Is there something in the trash that the man would use? (recycling for example) No
Does Gordon sent the trash to somewhere after taking it out? Irrelevant
Did Gordon take out and threw away something he shouldn't? No
Is Gordo throwing the trash somewhere he shouldn't? No

other person/s:
Is there someone else involved besides the wife, Gordon and the man? Yes.
Is the other person/people involved a man? Man/Woman, Men/Women - could be any of these.
Does that person (3rd party) have anything to do with the trash? No.
Does Gordon know the additional person personally? No.
Does that person (3rd party) did something different on that particular day? No.
Do any of the other person/people (which I will call the 3rd party) come into physical contact with either the man or Gordon? No.
Is this third party a person or persons? The assumption in the story is that it would be multiple people. Does it matter? To some degree.
Are these other people employees? Are they customers/clients? Are they working with the man? Yes, they are working with the man.
Are the workers of the man 'angry' at Gordon? I'm sure they were annoyed. Because they would lose their jobs? No

Are Gordon and the man related by blood? No.
Do they know each other? No.
Does Gordon's wife have a relevant role in this puzzle besides being a wife? No.
Is death involved? No.
Do Gordon and the man work together? No.
Is there a bet involved? No.
Did someone get hurt? No.
Is it relevant why his wife is "quite" grateful instead of being simply "grateful"? No.
Does Gordon does something else besides taking the trash out which the wife is not so grateful about? No.
Is there anything unusual happening at home when Gordon is out on that day? No.
Is Gordon aware that he is making the man lose that huge sum of money? Well, after the fact, yes.
Is the wife related to the man in some way? No.
Are there other physical objects involved? Hmmm ... tough one to answer. I would say yes.

Just Looking · Oct 1, 2010, 12:32 AM

Morgaine, thanks for the recap. That is really helpful.

I don't know this is a big deal, but there was a part where Unky was asking about other people and it's been clarified that there were other people involved who work for the man and that Gordon doesn't know. At the time, I wasn't even thinking of the individual who is now being mentioned in post 571. This last person is separate from the others, but is being mentioned for a specific reason.

And Unky I still see a clue in there.

Oh yes, I'm sure that helped. :confused:

morgaine300 · Oct 1, 2010, 12:34 AM

I'm trying to go over it now, but I keep spending more time adding stuff to my list than reading it.

morgaine300 · Oct 1, 2010, 12:37 AM

Does Gordon get side-tracked while taking out the garbage?

Is it relevant to discover what the man's relationship with the business is?

Does he work for the IRS? (That would be the accountant in me speaking, not wine. ;))

The new mystery person:
Is this person Gordon's boss?
Is this an employee of Gordon's company?
Or, is this person working for/with the man, et al.