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    #541

    Sep 30, 2010, 10:24 AM

    Is Gordon a human being?
    Have the man and Gordon seen each other at least once?
    Is there anything unusual with the trash on that particular day?
    Is there anything unusual happening at home when Gordon is out on that day?
    Is Gordon aware that he is making the man lose that huge sum of money?
    Is the man keeping a close eye on Gordon?
    Is the wife related to the man in some way?
    Is there someone else involved besides the wife, Gordon and the man?
    Does Gordon take out trash in the same manner everyday? (ie he does the same thing besides taking trash out)
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    #542

    Sep 30, 2010, 10:31 AM

    IS there anything in the trash itself that causes the loss?
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    #543

    Sep 30, 2010, 10:32 AM
    Is Gordon a human being? Yes - interesting question
    Have the man and Gordon seen each other at least once? Yes
    Is there anything unusual with the trash on that particular day? No
    Is there anything unusual happening at home when Gordon is out on that day? No
    Is Gordon aware that he is making the man lose that huge sum of money? Well, after the fact, yes.
    Is the man keeping a close eye on Gordon? No
    Is the wife related to the man in some way? No
    Is there someone else involved besides the wife, Gordon and the man? Yes
    Does Gordon take out trash in the same manner everyday? (ie he does the same thing besides taking trash out) Yes
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    #544

    Sep 30, 2010, 10:33 AM
    IS there anything in the trash itself that causes the loss? No
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    #545

    Sep 30, 2010, 10:48 AM

    Is Gordon sick the day that the loss happens?
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    #546

    Sep 30, 2010, 10:50 AM
    Is Gordon sick the day that the loss happens? No
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    #547

    Sep 30, 2010, 11:01 AM

    Are there more than one more person involved?
    Is the other person a man?
    Does that person have anything to do with the trash?
    Does Gordon know the additional person personally?
    Does that person did something different on that particular day?
    Did the man and Gordon see each other while the latter was taking out trash?
    Was the man Gordon's neighbour?

    Darn Gordon, speak up! What did you do? :(
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    #548

    Sep 30, 2010, 11:10 AM
    Are there more than one more person involved? If by involved, you mean there are more than one person other than Gordon and the man who factor into this - yes
    Is the other person a man? Man/Woman, Men/Women - could be any of these.
    Does that person have anything to do with the trash? No
    Does Gordon know the additional person personally? No
    Does that person did something different on that particular day? No
    Did the man and Gordon see each other while the latter was taking out trash? Yes
    Was the man Gordon's neighbour? No

    Darn Gordon, speak up! What did you do? Cute

    Unky - you may want to reread the answers. You're missing something that has been mentioned. :)
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    #549

    Sep 30, 2010, 01:51 PM

    Is the money considered as a loss? Yes-ish
    I think I know where you're getting the puzzles from. ;)
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    #550

    Sep 30, 2010, 02:00 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by morgaine300 View Post
    I think I know where you're getting the puzzles from. ;)
    Well, I did get that from that site, so you may know. :rolleyes: It works in some cases.
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    #551

    Sep 30, 2010, 02:03 PM

    I haven't really looked at much at that site, so I don't know the puzzle itself.

    But darn, before I could even look through the questions, a student has shown up and I got to go.
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    #552

    Sep 30, 2010, 05:19 PM

    Did Gordon accidentally smash garbage into Ned's used car and mess it all up and require repairs? No - I think that's the wine talking.
    Yes, and I thought it was terribly hilarious at the time. Actually, I still think it's funny, and trust me, my mind already just works that way without any help from wine.

    OK, no one else has been around, and I'm finally home, which gives me a chance to sit back and come up with hopefully a million great questions. I'm home for the night, and off work tomorrow. Yah!
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    Sep 30, 2010, 05:30 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by morgaine300 View Post
    Yes, and I thought it was terribly hilarious at the time. Actually, I still think it's funny, and trust me, my mind already just works that way without any help from wine.

    OK, no one else has been around, and I'm finally home, which gives me a chance to sit back and come up with hopefully a million great questions. I'm home for the night, and off work tomorrow. Yah!
    I thought it was funny, also. :)

    Good for you. I'm at work for a while longer. I'll check back in a while to see how many questions you have posted, and again later tonight. I'm hoping we can finish this tomorrow (or sooner) so it doesn't have to wait through the weekend.
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    #554

    Sep 30, 2010, 06:05 PM

    So the wife is grateful because Gordon's bringing home a paycheck. That was rather deceptive

    You said Yes-ish to the loss being money. So is the loss an item of value?

    Is it relevant what kind of building it is?
    Apartment/condo? Office building or some private business? Some public business like a store? Public service?

    Does the man work at the building as well? Does he live in the building?

    Do Gordon and the man come into direct physical contact with each other? (literally)
    Do any of the other person/people (which I will call the 3rd party) come into physical contact with either the man or Gordon?

    Is this third party a person or persons? Does it matter?

    Are there other physical objects involved?

    Is there a specific event which takes place while taking out the trash that causes this loss?

    If so, does this event take place while Gordon is inside? Or outside? Did it take place while Gordon was taking out the garbage?

    I have more but I think I need answers to these first.
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    #555

    Sep 30, 2010, 06:38 PM
    There are some difficult ones to answer in here, so I did my best.

    Quote Originally Posted by morgaine300 View Post
    So the wife is grateful because Gordon's bringing home a paycheck. That was rather deceptive. Yes, and yes it was. :D

    You said Yes-ish to the loss being money. So is the loss an item of value? No, money vs. an item. You'll understand the hesitation when you figure out the loss.

    Is it relevant what kind of building it is? Yes, but only as detailed by your next questions.
    Apartment/condo? No Office building or some private business? Yes Some public business like a store? No Public service? No

    Does the man work at the building as well? No, he's not an employee of/at the building. Does he live in the building? No

    Do Gordon and the man come into direct physical contact with each other? (literally) No
    Do any of the other person/people (which I will call the 3rd party) come into physical contact with either the man or Gordon? No

    Is this third party a person or persons? Are you asking if it is multiple people or something other than people? Does it matter? To some degree.

    Are there other physical objects involved? Hmmm ... tough one to answer. I would say yes.

    Is there a specific event which takes place while taking out the trash that causes this loss? Yes

    If so, does this event take place while Gordon is inside? Yes Or outside? No Did it take place while Gordon was taking out the garbage? Yes-ish.
    I have more but I think I need answers to these first.
    I'm going to drive home now. I'll check back later.
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    Sep 30, 2010, 07:09 PM

    There are some difficult ones to answer in here, so I did my best.
    Some were difficult to ask. ;)

    Is it relevant what kind of building it is? Yes, but only as detailed by your next questions.
    That was difficult to ask to get the idea I was trying to understand, but I think your answer worked great. i.e. it's not important what type of business, but really only that it's some type of private business, right?

    Is this third party a person or persons? Are you asking if it is multiple people or something other than people? Does it matter? To some degree.
    When this was brought up, it was a little unclear to me whether it was just one person, or people plural. (I tried to underline the s in persons but guess that didn't work.)
    Was that your assumption when you answered it does matter to some degree, that I meant singular or plural?

    I'm going to drive home now. I'll check back later.
    And I'm just starting work again. I forgot I have this little two-hour shift online after I get home from my other work. (New schedule. This dumb little shift on Thursday is hard for me to remember.) Hopefully it won't be busy. Timing of schedules hasn't worked very well today. :rolleyes:
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    #557

    Sep 30, 2010, 07:33 PM

    Was the man a customer/client at the business?

    Does the man work at the building as well? No, he's not an employee of/at the building. OK, was he doing work at the building, but not as an employee? (i.e. contractor or from another company)

    Does Gordon carry the trash out (as opposed to rolling)?
    Is the trash in bags when he takes it out?

    Did Gordon bump into someone or something?

    Was the man changing a light bulb? (Don't ask where that came from.) How many men does it take to change the light bulb?

    You said they saw each other. Was this intentional or for some purpose? Or was this by coincidence?

    Is Gordon the janitor? Does he do other forms of maintenance?

    You said that yes Gordon and man had seen each other at least once before. How about more than once? You said they don't know each other, but does Gordon recognize this man by site?

    Hmm... starting to fish a bit.
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    Sep 30, 2010, 07:54 PM
    Some were difficult to ask. ;) Haha


    That was difficult to ask to get the idea I was trying to understand, but I think your answer worked great. i.e. it's not important what type of business, but really only that it's some type of private business, right? Yes


    When this was brought up, it was a little unclear to me whether it was just one person, or people plural. (I tried to underline the s in persons but guess that didn't work.)
    Was that your assumption when you answered it does matter to some degree, that I meant singular or plural?
    What threw me with your question was I couldn't answer with a yes or no - it required a "person" or "persons" reply. The assumption in the story is that it would be multiple people.

    And I'm just starting work again. I forgot I have this little two-hour shift online after I get home from my other work. (New schedule. This dumb little shift on Thursday is hard for me to remember.) Hopefully it won't be busy. Timing of schedules hasn't worked very well today. :rolleyes: Well, I'll check back later.


    Was the man a customer/client at the business? Kinda/sort of.

    Does the man work at the building as well? No, he's not an employee of/at the building. OK, was he doing work at the building, but not as an employee? (i.e. contractor or from another company) Yes

    Does Gordon carry the trash out (as opposed to rolling)? Irrelevant
    Is the trash in bags when he takes it out? Irrelevant

    Did Gordon bump into someone or something? No

    Was the man changing a light bulb? (Don't ask where that came from.) No How many men does it take to change the light bulb? Just one, if there's a woman telling him how to do it. (sorry guys - it's just a joke)

    You said they saw each other. Was this intentional No or for some purpose? Yes, but probably not the way you mean it. Or was this by coincidence? Not really coincidence (now I'm pulling my hair out)

    Is Gordon the janitor? Yes Does he do other forms of maintenance? Not relevant

    You said that yes Gordon and man had seen each other at least once before. How about more than once? You said they don't know each other, but does Gordon recognize this man by site? I assumed Unky's question to mean had they ever seen each other, versus for example the possibility that Gordon threw something away without the man being present. Gordon doesn't recognize the man.

    Hmm... starting to fish a bit. I feel like you are so close. ;)
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    Sep 30, 2010, 09:47 PM
    Work ended up being hectic, so I even ran over. Thursday is such a long day, I'm so glad I have Friday off. So no new questions for this second, but some clarifications...

    (Not sure why this is getting so confusing.)

    Was the man a customer/client at the business? Kinda/sort of.
    But if he's doing some kind of work for the business, I would think this is a flat out no. Or is there really something more (weird) going on here?

    Does the man work at the building as well? No, he's not an employee of/at the building. OK, was he doing work at the building, but not as an employee? (i.e. contractor or from another company) Yes
    HA! See, I caught that you specifically said not an employee, instead of just saying no. :p

    Was the man changing a light bulb? (Don't ask where that came from.) No How many men does it take to change the light bulb? Just one, if there's a woman telling him how to do it. (sorry guys - it's just a joke)
    Well, I thought it was amusing.

    You said they saw each other. Was this intentional No or for some purpose? Yes, but probably not the way you mean it. Or was this by coincidence? Not really coincidence (now I'm pulling my hair out)
    Sorry. Obviously difficult to answer. I'll work on getting some clarifying questions there.

    Speaking of clarifying, so having "seen each other at least once" just means now, in the scenario, right? They've never seen each other prior to this day, right? Something tells me this is not even terribly relevant.

    Hmm... starting to fish a bit. I feel like you are so close. ;)
    I really love when you say that when I'm still pretty clueless. :D I might be narrowing down the setting, but I still don't know what happened.

    OK, off to find food and then I'll see if I can get 3 billion questions in first and beat Unky. ;)
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    Sep 30, 2010, 09:49 PM

    You know, I've been so busy getting the setting and relationships, etc. that I totally forgot the guy lost something. LOL.

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