[paraclete]

What does tearing pages out of it do?

It's a bizzaire but predictable twist that the promised burning of the quoran didn't take place but others thought to rip pages out of the quoran to demonstrate their anger. So can we say that those who tore the pages are unconcerned about a heightened threat of Muslim militantism or is it that political correctness has, at last, met its match ?

[smoothy]

Islamic idiocy was at play without Korans being burned... and burning them, tearing them up or using pages from them to wipe the feces from ones Butt after deficating ( I like that idea even better than burning it, as you get a longer lasting satisfaction) won't change these idiots one iota.

Its just a lame excuse to shoot off their mouths.

THEY started this... THEY are the ones to make the first step of showing respect towards non-muslims. And I think Churches and Temples in Mecca and Medina both are a good place to start. With Saudi Arabia and other muslims funding their construction.

[paraclete]

Islamic idiocy .

Are you suggesting it was Muslims who tore the Quoran?

No, there was a different form of idiocy at play. The form of idiocy that can give offence to millions but avoid contravening some city ordinance.

It does no good to propose solutions which will only antagonise. It is time stop defining freedom as the ability to do anything and start defining it in terms of common sense and respect. The Muslims lack respect in their proposal to build a mosque, by whatever name, a mosque after all is just a prayer room, at ground zero, a place that people have heightened emotions about, and those who tore the Quoran lack respect.

This problem is beginning to escalate and give militants the excuse they are looking for

[smoothy]

They offended US and killed numerous times over the years before Military action was taken against them.

9/11 was a HUGE offence they have not paid penance for yet.

Far too many Islamic countries and many , many millions of Muslims celbrated it and supported it. IF you had a TV and watched it then you saw many examples of celebrations in the streets by brain damaged Muslims... and a LARGE percentage of Imams support this sort of thing to give a free pass to ANY muslims... after all its OUR right and OUR choice. WHere was the mass killings of Imams that supported radical Islam? I haven't seen or heard about it? I'm still waiting for it in fact. IF in fact most Muslims didn't support the lunatic element they would do just that.

Escalate what? Escalate FROM what?

Personally, we haven't killed nearly enough yet to satisfy me...

When 1,000 muslims have died for every single individual that died on 9/11 or was injured in some way... THEN we can talk about WHO escalated what.

In its 1,300 years of existence, exectly WHEN what Islam ever peaceful?

[Wondergirl]

When 1,000 muslims have died for every single individual that died on 9/11 or was injured in some way

That's already happened.

[smoothy]

That's already happened.

Prove it... and I don't accept claims by Muslim associated groups as being valid.



The initial numbers are indelible: 8:46 a.m. and 9:02 a.m. Time the burning towers stood: 56 minutes and 102 minutes. Time they took to fall: 12 seconds. From there, they ripple out.


•Total number killed in attacks (official figure as of 9/5/02): 2,819

•Number of firefighters and paramedics killed: 343

•Number of NYPD officers: 23

•Number of Port Authority police officers: 37

•Number of WTC companies that lost people: 60

•Number of employees who died in Tower One: 1,402

•Number of employees who died in Tower Two: 614

•Number of employees lost at Cantor Fitzgerald: 658

•Number of U.S. troops killed in Operation Enduring Freedom: 22

•Number of nations whose citizens were killed in attacks: 115

•Ratio of men to women who died: 3:1

•Age of the greatest number who died: between 35 and 39

•Bodies found "intact": 289

•Body parts found: 19,858

•Number of families who got no remains: 1,717

•Estimated units of blood donated to the New York Blood Center: 36,000

•Total units of donated blood actually used: 258

•Number of people who lost a spouse or partner in the attacks: 1,609

•Estimated number of children who lost a parent: 3,051

•Percentage of Americans who knew someone hurt or killed in the attacks: 20

•FDNY retirements, January–July 2001: 274

•FDNY retirements, January–July 2002: 661

•Number of firefighters on leave for respiratory problems by January 2002: 300

•Number of funerals attended by Rudy Giuliani in 2001: 200

•Number of FDNY vehicles destroyed: 98

•Tons of debris removed from site: 1,506,124

•Days fires continued to burn after the attack: 99

•Jobs lost in New York owing to the attacks: 146,100

•Days the New York Stock Exchange was closed: 6

•Point drop in the Dow Jones industrial average when the NYSE reopened: 684.81

•Days after 9/11 that the U.S. began bombing Afghanistan: 26

•Total number of hate crimes reported to the Council on American-Islamic Relations nationwide since 9/11: 1,714

•Economic loss to New York in month following the attacks: $105 billion

•Estimated cost of cleanup: $600 million

•Total FEMA money spent on the emergency: $970 million

•Estimated amount donated to 9/11 charities: $1.4 billion

•Estimated amount of insurance paid worldwide related to 9/11: $40.2 billion

•Estimated amount of money needed to overhaul lower-Manhattan subways: $7.5 billion

•Amount of money recently granted by U.S. government to overhaul lower-Manhattan subways: $4.55 billion

•Estimated amount of money raised for funds dedicated to NYPD and FDNY families: $500 million

•Percentage of total charity money raised going to FDNY and NYPD families: 25

•Average benefit already received by each FDNY and NYPD widow: $1 million

•Percentage increase in law-school applications from 2001 to 2002: 17.9

•Percentage increase in Peace Corps applications from 2001 to 2002: 40

•Percentage increase in CIA applications from 2001 to 2002: 50

•Number of songs Clear Channel Radio considered "inappropriate" to play after 9/11: 150

•Number of mentions of 9/11 at the Oscars: 26

•Apartments in lower Manhattan eligible for asbestos cleanup: 30,000

•Number of apartments whose residents have requested cleanup and testing: 4,110

•Number of Americans who changed their 2001 holiday-travel plans from plane to train or car: 1.4 million

•Estimated number of New Yorkers suffering from post-traumatic-stress disorder as a result of 9/11: 422,000

September 11 by Numbers



Total those numbers of injured and killed and multiply the resulting sum by 1,000

And I do mean ALL injured people as well as those killed... not just those killed outright.


And Islamic nations and Mosques have reimbured the USA and the people effected by their followers exactly HOW MUCH so far... Because I'M still waiting on my money... and I don't want a dime from the USA... Islam owes it to me.

Because one hell of a lot more Muslims are going to die before I get my pound of flesh for them trying to kill me... and yeah, its personal, really, really personal.

I rarely hold a grudge... but this is an exception... when I hold one... I can hold it for a very, very long time.

[Wondergirl]

16,000 during the invasion of Iraq, and at least 100,000 during the occupation.

The United States invaded a country that had not attacked us, dismantled its regime, and took hardly any precautions to prevent the (predictable) outbreak of violence. Having uncapped the volcano, we are not at all blameless.

[tomder55]

Now subtract the numbers of Iraqis killed by Iraqis or jihadists .

[smoothy]

16,000 during the invasion of Iraq, and at least 100,000 during the occupation.

The United States invaded a country that had not attacked us, dismantled its regime, and took hardly any precautions to prevent the (predictable) outbreak of violence. Having uncapped the volcano, we are not at all blameless.

No proof of those numbers claims... and even if those were true... it still isn't nearly enough.

Can you comprehend what a CEASE FIRE AGREEMENT is? Its pretty darn clear you don't... because we didn't invade ANY innocent Country. PEROID. THose are typical Democrat Talking points issued by idiots that can't understand military things (usually democrats but a few republicans as well)... one of them what a cease fire is... and what violates them and what can happen when one does violate it too many times.


We had EVERY right to go in when we did... because Saddam the Headless Buffoon, got exactly what he was asking for repeatedly since he begged for a Cease fire to save his sorry butt. And suitibly got his head popped off like a cheap doll.

Here.. since you don't believe there was ever a cease fire agreement, nor that Iraq had a LONG list of conditions they were REQUIRED to honor... here is the UN brokered Cease Fire agreement.

http://www.fas.org/news/un/iraq/sres/sres0687.htm

[paraclete]

They offended US and killed numerous times over the years before Military action was taken against them.
9/11 was a HUGE offence they have not paid penance for yet.

WHO HAS TO PAY THIS PENANCE YOU IMPOSED?

I would have thought that US bombing of Al Qaeda and the Taliban might than been recompense in kind. How many of them were killed? To want 1000 times revenge is just not reasonable, it's insane.

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Far too many Islamic countries and many , many millions of Muslims celbrated it and supported it. IF you had a TV and watched it then you saw many examples of celebrations in the streets by brain damaged Muslims... and a LARGE percentage of Imams support this sort of thing to give a free pass to ANY muslims... after all its OUR right and OUR choice. WHere was the mass killings of Imams that supported radical Islam? I haven't seen or heard about it? I'm still waiting for it in fact. IF in fact most Muslims didn't support the lunatic element they would do just that.

So, you think that every person who ever expressed a radical thought or followed an idiot leader should be exterminated? By your standard, every german and japanese should have been exterminated in WWII and now Pakistan and Afghanistan should be wiped off the map because radicals live there. Would it surprise you that you are expressing the same sentiments as radical islam, those who are not with you are against you and should be eliminated.

Those who celebrated, the Palestinians and Iranians, are nuts anyway and deserve what they get, but they are minority even in Islam. Can you blame uneducted people for the rubbish their leaders teach them when even educated people have fallen for the same sort of rubbish?

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Personally, we haven't killed nearly enough yet to satisfy me...

When 1,000 muslims have died for every single individual that died on 9/11 or was injured in some way... THEN we can talk about WHO escalated what.

I begin to think you are seriously deranged and should seek help

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In its 1,300 years of existence, exectly WHEN what Islam ever peaceful?

It's 1400 years and some parts of Islam have been peaceful. Not the Arabian branch, I agree, they have been very radical, and essentially we have them to thank for the present situation, but have you observed that they haven't discriminated they have done to their own what they have done to you

[smoothy]

WHO HAS TO PAY THIS PENANCE YOU IMPOSED?

I would have thought that US bombing of Al Qaeda and the Taliban might than been recompense in kind. How many of them were killed? to want 1000 times revenge is just not reasonable, it's insane.

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So, you think that every person who ever expressed a radical thought or followed an idiot leader should be exterminated? By your standard, every german and japanese should have been exterminated in WWII and now Pakistan and Afghanistan should be wiped off the map because radicals live there. Would it suprise you that you are expressing the same sentiments as radical islam, those who are not with you are against you and should be eliminated. ?

Those who celebrated, the Palistinians and Iranians, are nuts anyway and deserve what they get, but they are minority even in Islam. Can you blame uneducted people for the rubbish their leaders teach them when even educated people have fallen for the same sort of rubbish?

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I begin to think you are seriously deranged and should seek help

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it's 1400 years and some parts of Islam have been peaceful. Not the Arabian branch, I agree, they have been very radical, and essentially we have them to thank for the present situation, but have you observed that they haven't discriminated they have done to their own what they have done to you

You Don't Determine what does and doesn't count as compensation by Islamic nuts. Americans do... Specifically Americans Directly affected on 9/11.

Muslims and Islamic Countries OWE that pennance... they haven't exicuted a single pro radical Imam, but killed plenty of women for stupid stuff... not to mention all of their violations of international law pertaining to terrorism and support of terrorism. Hamas and Hezbolah are just to recurring examples of many.

Islam has no concept of peacefulness... they have no concept of right and wrong. THey think they are superiour to all other non-muslims... yet manage to maintain a 7th century mindset and haven't progressed intellectually as a group in 1,300 years.


I think you are aterrorist lover... Muslims attacked us... everyone they killed on 9/11 were civilians. Everyone they effected on 9/11 were Civilians... and YOU have the balls to defend them? THAT is what is derainged.

Tell that to Isreal... tell that to every place Islam conguered and subdued by force... if you actually studied History you would know this. Islam has never been peacefull to non-muslims... EVER.

I'll be happy if I personally get to cut the gonads and tongues off 100 Imams with a rusty knife and nothing to dull the pain.


When someone attempts to kill you and fails... THEN you might be able to grasp the concept of retribution.

Jesus may have turned the other cheek... but I'm not Jesus, and I want my due.

[paraclete]

You Don't Determine what does and doesn't count as compensation by Islamic nuts. Americans do....Specifically Americans Directly affected on 9/11.

Muslims and Islamic Countries OWE that pennance....they haven't exicuted a single pro radical Imam, but killed plenty of women for stupid stuff....not to mention all of their violations of international law pertaining to terrorism and support of terrorism. Hamas and Hezbolah are just to recurring examples of many.

Islam has no concept of peacefulness....they have no concept of right and wrong. THey think they are superiour to all other non-muslims....yet manage to maintain a 7th century mindset and haven't progressed intellectually as a group in 1,300 years.


I think you are aterrorist lover......Muslims attacked us...everyone they killed on 9/11 were civilians. Everyone they effected on 9/11 were Civilians....and YOU have the balls to defend them? THAT is what is derainged.

Tell that to Isreal....tell that to every place Islam conguered and subdued by force.....if you actually studied History you would know this. Islam has never been peacefull to non-muslims.......EVER.

I'll be happy if I personally get to cut the gonads and tongues off 100 Imams with a rusty knife and nothing to dull the pain.

When someone attempts to kill you and fails........THEN you might be able to grasp the concept of retribution.

Jesus may have turned the other cheek.....but I'm not Jesus, and I want my due.

As I said you have some serious problems, yes the muslims attacked the symbol of US imperialism, the Trade Centre, they did it on more than one occasion and they intended to cause maximum damage and if possible financially destroy your nation. Your problem is your pride has been hurt because they succeeded in demolishing your symbol of superiority

I don't love terrorists, I deplore what they do, and have been castigated more than once for a poor attitude towards Muslims, but I know that large numbers of Muslim deaths will solve nothing. The Attack on Iraq by the US killed thousands of Muslims who were not involved in the 9/11 attacks, now what if those people demanded the same penance as you do, I doubt there is sufficient population in america to meet the price, that is how ridiculous your statement is.

You will not change their seventh century mindset by attacking them. All you do is prove what they think of you. The appropriate response was destruction of Al Qaeda in Afghanistan and you have achieved that

[smoothy]

I have problems because I feel I have a RIGHT to justice.

I suppose you tell molested children to "get over it"?

After all, They unlike most victims of Islam... will have the rest of their lives to remember someone told them to "Get over it"... while most victims of Islam are dead.


I'd LOVE to hear your justifications for defending Islam, is it because you worship the same child molester they do?

George Bush really hit the nail on the head when he said you are either with us or you are against us. There is no middle ground when Islam and its institutional support of terrorism is involved.

So... killing off the Islamic Radicals accomplishes nothing?

I suppose you oppose the death penalty too?

How many exicuted criminals ever repeat their crime.

How many Dead Islamic nutcases ever kill or opress another person?

The answer to both above questions are NONE... because they are dead... out of the human gene pool permanently.

I suppose the FACT that most problems in the world onvoling a Muslim have no bearings on the mindset Islam taeaches to these idiots... and look at ALL the trouble spots where Muslims are involved around the world... THEY are the ones that instigate it.

And I am NOT a believer in rolling over and submitting to that scum. Because THAT is the only alternative to killing them. They won't stop killing others.

Islamic nuts have no respect for the rest of the world, none at all.

THey certainly have no respect for those afraid to fight them.

And incidentally... it isn't over as long as Islam opresses anyone anyplace in the world.


IRAN, then you have Hezbolah... Islamic Terrorists, Hamas---more Islamic Terrorists...

Sudan... Islamic Terrorists, Somolia -- Islamic Terrorists...

THe Child molestors that want to build a Victory Mosque at ground zero - Islamic Terrorists.

I really don't give a damn what they think of me... at least they know I'm not afraid of them... at least they aren't thinking look at this other wussy that doesn't have the gonads to defend what he believes is right.


And you are aware most of what Islam tells the Western world is not what they tell their own people? Being Decietful and a liar is not only allowed but encouraged by Islam.

A point to remember before you believe anything they tell you.

After all, show me any proof they systematically cleaned house and killed the Imamas and radicals among them. If it has EVER happened it's the best kept secret of the last 1,300 years.

[excon]

I begin to think you are seriously deranged and should seek help

Hello clete:

Smoothy's posts, as vile as they are, should serve as a wake up call. He's not like the nut in Florida whom NOBODY agrees with. He's a hater who a LOT of Americans agree with. And, their numbers are increasing every day.

The right wing is fanning the flames for political gain. Newt Gingrich, a fellow who is running for president, introduced his new movie, "America at Risk", by warning us "this is the end of times. This is the final struggle".

Is it any wonder that smoothy and his ilk, are scared?

excon

[Wondergirl]

From a new Pew Forum on Religion & Public Life survey on religion in America (Statistics on Religion in America Report -- Pew Forum on Religion & Public Life) --

78.4% Christian

00.6% Muslim

[smoothy]

Hello clete:

Smoothy's posts, as vile as they are, should serve as a wake up call. He's not like the nut in Florida whom NOBODY agrees with. He's a hater who a LOT of Americans agree with. And, their numbers are increasing every day.

The right wing is fanning the flames for political gain. Newt Gingrich, a fellow who is running for president, introduced his new movie, "America at Risk", by warning us "this is the end of times. This is the final struggle".

Is it any wonder that smoothy and his ilk, are scared?

excon

Right... you love terrorists and those who support them, THEY define HATE, THEY define Oppression... and I'm the hater.


You know what... if hating Islams oppression and aggression, and Hating their worlwide terrorism campaign makes me a hater... then conversely it make you their dupe for believing their propaganda that 1,300 years of their history, much like Obamas life so far, NOTHING has been their fault.

If we are supposed to be pussies and surrender to terrorists to be Pollitically correct and not offend their delicate sensibilities while they continue to kill innocent people worldwide... just so satisfy some left coast mentality that the USA is at fault for everything... including the Dlack death in the middle ages...

I just have to cordually invite the terrorist appeasers to collectively kiss my butt.

I suppose you would demand the same tollerance to serial child molestors too, because they much like Islamists have never harmed anyone that didn't deserve it by your reckoning?


Exactly WHERE in the world have these Muslims STOPPED their reign of murder and terror? I'm waiting because they are STILL actively killing people everyplace... you know, that same religion that's managed to dupe the left into thinking its really peaceful.

[paraclete]

Smoothy I just don't get how islamic militants went from terrorists to child molesters. I expect it is some sort of back handed reference to mudhutmad, but what this has to do with burning the quoran or riping pages out of it is anybody's guess.

Ok I get that you have a problem with muslims, that you are an islamophobe, but can't you see you have become what you hate

[Wondergirl]

Ok I get that you have a problem with muslims

Plus, it gets his mind off all the illegal (Hispanic) immigrants that are overrunning our country.

Or maybe it doesn't.

I wonder if he knows that white males will be a minority in not too many years?

[smoothy]

Smoothy I just don't get how islamic militants went from terrorists to child molesters. I expect it is some sort of back handed reference to mudhutmad, but what this has to do with burning the quoran or riping pages out of it is anybody's guess.

Ok I get that you have a problem with muslims, that you are an islamophobe, but can't you see you have become what you hate

Islamist KILL people and you and excon among a minority, what to surrender to them... and give them a free reign to kill and opress.

Child molesters rarely kill anyone so you HAVE to want to give them the same free ride too. After all, their victims survive to grow up.

You are a CHRISTIAN and JEW HATER...

You love terrorists because YOU defend them... there is NO middle ground.

You can surrender to them if you wish... but you have absolutely NO right to demand others surrender to them.

Anyone who aids , hides, funds, or defends terrorists really are no better or different than the terrorists themselves.

And like I said... before... Terrorist lovers and defendors can collectively kiss my butt.

THere are only two sides when it comes to terrorists... and you either want to end their capacity to kill... or you are on their side. There is NO middle ground.

You make your own choice... you either want to help them, or you want to kill them before they kill more.


Only foools think they will listen to a non-muslim, their faith teaches against that. THey are taught to believe all non-muslims are below them on the evolutionary scale. If that concept sounds familiar... The Nazis taught that about the Jews.

[smoothy]

Plus, it gets his mind off all the illegal (Hispanic) immigrants that are overrunning our country.

Or maybe it doesn't.

I wonder if he knows that white males will be a minority in not too many years?

We have the guns...

Most liberals don't. Wait until some latinos, rape you and steal your property... then all I can say is we told you so. You will be on your own then.

When you can't get a job because all our illegals flood your states when we kick them out... don't come crying to us... you asked for it.

And we are running the Illegals OUT of our state so those who love them can have THEIR taxes increased to support even more of them in their states, while we lower ours now they aren't leeching our tax dollars. Because none of that support comes free.

I catch anyone stealing my property... they get shot. They won't have a day in court explaining how the laws don't apply to them.